1.)760623gc.nv                 Conversations
Devotee (4): The difficulty is that we cannot understand, we cannot
feel what pleases Krsna now, yet we can feel what pleases us, and that
is the difficulty?
Prabhupada: You have no feeling, that everyone knows. Therefore you
have to carry out the order of spiritual master, that’s all.
Devotee (1) : If we try to please Krsna with all of our service and
activities, that automatically brings pleasure to the self?
Prabhupada: You cannot please Krsna directly. You please your
spiritual master, Krsna will be pleased. If you want to please
directly Krsna, that is not possible. That is concoction You cannot
please. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah. You have to please your
spiritual master, then Krsna will be pleased. Don’t jump.
Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya. What is that song you
daily sing? What is that?

Pradyumna: By the words of the spiritual master our mind becomes
conclusive from…
Prabhupada: Ara na koriha mane asa. Don’t concoct. Don’t you sing
daily? Ara na koriha mane asa. Don’t manufacture ideas. That is
dangerous. Caitanya Mahaprabhu teaches by His example. Guru more
murkha dekhi’ karila sasana. Caitanya Mahaprabhu said to Prakasananda
Sarasvati that “My spiritual master saw Me fool number one, so he has
chastised Me, that ‘Don’t try to read Vedanta; chant Hare Krsna.’  Just hear. 

2.)720420SB.TOK                   Lectures
Try to understand. Have questions and answer. It is very important thing.
Atma-mayam rte rajan. Except atma-maya, the illusory energy… It is
the maneuver or handling of the illusory energy of Krsna. This
illusory energy develops when we forget Krsna. That’s all. It is… In
other words, this illusory identification of me with the body is
simply due to my forgetfulness. We wanted to forget, we wanted to give
up Krsna and wanted to enjoy this material world. Therefore Krsna is
giving us…
Just like when you play some part in a drama, if you feel that “I
am king,” then you can talk very nicely. And if you feel that “I am
Karandhara,” then you cannot play nicely king. Is it not? Feeling must
be there. If you are playing the part of a king, then you must have
the same courage and belief that “I am king.” You have to forget that
you are Karandhara. Then your part will be very nicely played. It will
be appreciated. But if you think simultaneously that “I am Karandhara.
I am taking, playing the part of the king,” then you cannot play. So
because we wanted to play the part of Krsna, enjoyer, Krsna is giving
us chance that “You feel like Me.”–“I am king. I am Krsna. I am God.”
(laughter) All these rascals, those who are feeling like that, “I am

master. I am king. I am Krsna. I am God,” they are all simply in that
feeling only. That’s all. And this feeling is created by Krsna: “All
right. You want to play the part of a king. I shall train you in such
a way.” Just like director means, dramatic director means, he creates
a feeling. His direction is nothing but how to feel.
Sometimes we played in our younger age Caitanya-lila. I introduced.
And one big director, Amrtalal Chosa, he was just like grandfather. He
was one of the, just like in England Shakespeare and others, big, big
dramatic, well-known persons. This Amrtalal Chosa and Girish Chandra
Chosa, they introduced in India theatric… So we called him to give
us direction. He was giving us direction, and repeatedly he was
telling that “You feel like that,” especially to me. “You feel like
that.” So actually, when we played according to his direction, the
audience were all crying. And we could not understand how they cried.
We could not understand. On the stage when we played, it was so
perfect that all audience were crying. Actually we saw they were
smearing over their eyes with… But the whole thing is artificial,
but the effect to the audience became so nice. So similarly, we are…
Actually we have nothing to do with this material world, But we have
been trained by the illusory energy in such a way that we are

thinking, “I am Indian. I am American. I am this. I am that. I am
brahmana. I am sudra. I have to do this. I have got so much duty,” all
these illusions, simply thinking. We have nothing to do with all this
nonsense, but still, we are taking it very serious. “I have to do like
that. I have to do like that. I am this. I am that.” That’s all. That
is explained. Atma-mayam rte rajan: “Except by the influence of that
atma-maya, the illusory energy of Krsna…”

…Just like a man seeing dream: “Oh, there is tiger,
tiger, tiger, tiger! Save me!” He is crying. Another man is, “Where is
tiger? Why you are crying? Where is tiger?” But he, in the dream, he
is actually feeling: “The tiger has attacked me.” Therefore this
example is given, na ghatetartha-sambandhah. There cannot be any
meaning of this relationship except like a man dreaming and he is
creating a situation. He is dreaming there is a tiger and he is
creating a situation, fearful situation. Actually there is no cause of
fear. There is no tiger. That situation is created by dream. Actually
there is no tiger. Similarly we have created this material world and
activity. People are running, “Oh…, sonh, sonh, sonh, sonh, sonh,
sonh, sonh,” identifying that “Oh, I am the manager. I am the factory
owner. I am this, I am that. We have got his politics. We have to
defeat such competitors.” All these things are created exactly like
that, svapna-drastur ivanjasa, just like a man is creating his
particular situation simply by dream. That’s all.
   So the answer is, when somebody asks you that “When one has become
in contact with this material nature?” He has not become in contact.
He is thinking by the influence of the external energy. Just like the
same example: A man is dreaming; there is no contact with tiger.

Actually he has no contact with that. Similarly, actually we are not
fallen. We cannot be fallen. But we have created a situation that we
are, become… Try to understand understand. It is very important
point. We have simply created a situation. We have not created a
situation, Krsna has given us a situation. Because we wanted to
imitate Krsna, so Krsna has given an opportunity: “All right. Imitate.
You want to be imitation king in the stage. So feel like this. Play
like this. Do like this. People will applaud. ‘Oh, a very nice king,
very nice.’ ” That is the… So everyone in this material world, they
are playing some part. They wanted, “I want to be prime minister.”
“All right.” “I want to become very big business magnate.” “I want to
be leader.” “I want to be a philosopher.” “I want to be a scientist.”
So all this nonsense, they are trying to play–Krsna is giving him the
opportunity: “All right.” But it is a nonsense, all nonsense. Simple
dreaming. Just like you are dreaming. Next moment when the dream is
gone, everything is finished. No more tiger, no more jungle, no
more… Everything is finished. Similarly, so long this body is
continuing, I am thinking, “I am a responsible leader, I am this, I am
that.” But as soon as this body is finished, oh, these are  gone.

… Therefore the first sinful will of the living entity is to become the Lord, and the consequent will of the
Lord is that the living entity forgets his actual life and thus dreams
of the land of utopia where he may become one like the Lord…’ Thus in dream only the
misconception of ‘I and mine’ persist life after life. This continues
life after life as long as the living entity is not purely conscious
of his identity as the subordinate part and parcel of the Lord.

3.) SB 4.22.31     When one deviates from his original consciousness, he loses the
capacity to remember his previous position or recognize his present
one. When remembrance is lost, all knowledge acquired is based on a
false foundation. When this occurs, learned scholars consider that the
soul is lost.

CONCLUSIONS— In the first conversation Srila Prabhupada kindly explains that we have no feeling, no real bhakti as of yet for Krsna, since mostly,we are all neophytes. Therefore we must please the spiritual master, who does have feeling for Krsna and then we, by pleasing him, will return to our normal state of real love or feeling for the Lord.

In the second one, the lecture, he explains that what “feeling” we now possess, (I am this or that) it is illusion and not who we really are because one moment its here next moment, it is gone. Consider the present life with our present associates of spouse, children, friends, relatives. When we leave this body, all those will be gone,just like persons present in a dream we had last night. So in both states of consciousness, either under Maya or with Krsna, He, Krsna, is giving us the ability to either remember or forget Him.But the tangible advancement comes when we have FEELING for Krsna. Anything else is just ritual. Thinking, feeling, and willing, these are the activities of the mind. And it is the mind by which we must elevate ourselves out of maya and then try to find some bhakti towards the Lord.

The third verse is a very nice summary of how we got here in the material world and how we stay here, much like the explanation in  number 2. Therefore all the Acaryas recommend to always chant Hare Krsna maha Mantra to free ourselves from all of Maya’s illusions.

Hare Krsna

Damaghosa das