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System of Initiations ![]() It is widely known that Srila Prabhupada instituted a ritvik or representative (proxy) initiation system throughout ISKCON as early as 1971 in order to meet the growing need to initiate his disciples worldwide. However what is not widely known is that he instructed his disciples to continue initiating new disciples on his behalf even after his physical disappearance. Harinam das (06-12-06) He called those disciples who performed the initiation ceremonies ritvik representatives of the acharya (officiating acharyas). Below are quotes directly from Srila Prabhupada for the evidence of these intructions as well as explanations, philosophical insights, and historical background. I. DIRECT EVIDENCE FOR CONTINUANCE OF THE RITVIK SYSTEM AFTER PHYSICAL DISAPPEARANCE Tamala Krsna Is that called ritvik-acarya?
Satsvarupa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the...
[This is the third direct repudiation of Srila Prabhupada's disciples accepting their own disciples in ISKCON.]
[Here Srila Prabhupada ends his conversation with Satvarupa and replies to Tamal's misunderstanding. Tamal's misunderstanding is clearly evident as he repeats Satvarupa's same question which was already clearly answered by Srila Prabhupada. Further, Tamal's misunderstanding is clear in his saying that ritviks and officiating acaryas give diksa which they clearly don't, as they merely are representing the uttama-adhikari diksa-guru. Tamal's misconception of "diksa" and "diksa-guru" is that both diksa-guru and disciple must be physically present for diksa which clearly contradicts Srila Prabhupada's teachings as pointed out in Part III "Philosophical Basis".] Prabhupada: They're his disciple.
Satsvarupa: Then we have a question concer...
[Here Srila Prabhupada clearly concludes his reply to Tamal and says that his disciples can become regular guru and accept their own disciples only when he orders them to. This clearly indicates that he did not yet give the specific order for his disciples to become regular (diksa) gurus and accept their own disciples in ISKCON in this meeting. He already repeatedly confirmed this fact with his prior repudiation (four times) in reply to Satsvarupa's original question on what the GBC were to do for 1st and 2nd initiations "when you no longer are with us" as already pointed out. So it is inconceivable that he changes his mind in replying to what is essentially the same question from Tamal vis-a vis, "Whose disciples are they?". Tamal's misunderstanding of this crucial meeting was later confirmed in the 1980 Topanga Canyon guru meeting detailed in subsection II.A. Unfortunately as secretary, his deviation was also written into the minutes of the May 28, 1977 meeting. Furthermore, if someone tells you, "When I order, you jump off the cliff" would you jump? OF COURSE NOT! Clearly, Srila Prabhupada's use of the word "when" indicates that he did not yet give that order. A month later in his July 9, 1977 worldwide communique (given below) he gave his final orders on future initiations for Iskcon wherein he named 11 disciples to act as "ritvik representatives of the acarya" to initiate future disciples on his behalf "henceforward".] B. June 5, 1977 will
(In order to carryout this section of Srila Prabhupada's will, there must be his initiated disciples present for as long as Iskcon exists, thus necessitating a ritvik system initiating new disciples on his behalf henceforward which was stated in his July 9, 1977 letter to all GBC and temple presidents. This will also confirms the no change status of the ritvik system for after his physical disappearance in his use of the word "henceforward" meaning from now on). C. July 9, 1977 worldwide final order to all GBC and TP
Srila Prabhupada's letters to his ritvik representatives up until his physical disappearance also do not indicate any change in this ritvik instruction. ("Now you have a very good field. Now organize it and it will be a great credit. No one will disturb you there. Make your own field and continue to become ritvik and act on my behalf." July 31, 1977). This July 9, 1977 worldwide order to all GBCs and temple presidents specifically on future initiations in ISKCON is the only one given by Srila Prabhupada. Thus it is rightfully called the final order.) II. OTHER DIRECT EVIDENCE
B. Pita das, Gauridas Pandit das and Bhakti-siddhanta das personally witnessed Srila Prabhupada explaining his ritvik system for after his physical disappearance. C. Yasodanandan's May 1977 diary quotes Tamal Krishna and Gauridas Pandit stating they had just heard Srila Prabhupada explaining his ritvik system for future initiations. D. HH BV Puri Maharaja recollected a conversation (memories#26) Where Srila Prabhupada declared to him that He had appointed 11 Ritviks. HH BV Puri Majaraja said,"You should have appointed only one.....when You are gone, they will not be satisfied as Ritviks, and will declare themselves as "regular" Gurus, and they will fight.".....Srila Prabhupada replied..."What can I do....IT IS UP TO KRISHNA!" E. Some of the 11 ritviks named by Srila Prabhupada (Hamsadutta, Kirtanananda, Ramesvara) also have said they were appointed as ritviks only. III. PHILOSOPHICAL BASIS OF JULY 9, 1977 FINAL WORLDWIDE ORDER
b. "In other words, the spiritual master awakens the sleeping living entity to his original consciousness so that he can worship Lord Visnu. This is the purpose of diksa, or initiation. Initiation MEANS receiving the pure knowledge of spiritual consciousness." (C.C. Madhya, 9.61, purport) c. "The spiritual master is considered the bottom firewood and the disciple is the top firewood. The instruction of transcendental knowledge is the fire that spreads and brings happiness." (SB 11.10.12) 2. Jiva Goswami's definition of diksa "Diksa is the process by which one can awaken his transcendental knowledge and vanquish all reactions caused by sinful activity. A person expert in the study of the revealed scriptures knows this process as diksa." (Bhakti-sandarbha 283; C.C. Madhya 15:108 purport) 3. Sri Krishna's explanation for approaching a bonafide spiritual master is to acquire transcendental knowledge:
Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth. And when you have thus learned the truth, you will know that all living beings are but part of Me-and that they are in Me, and are Mine. Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, when you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge, you will be able to cross over the ocean of miseries. As the blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities. In this world, there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental knowledge. Such knowledge is the mature fruit of all mysticism. And one who has achieved this enjoys the self within himself in due course of time. A faithful man who is absorbed in transcendental knowledge and who subdues his senses quickly attains the supreme spiritual peace. (Bhagavad-gita As It Is 4-33-39)
1. "My Dear [Disciple 1], Please accept my blessings. Just now I have received some more requests for giving first initiation... and now I am receiving weekly not less than ten to fifteen such requests from new students. So it is becoming very expensive to send so many sets of beads such a long distance, and it has become a little bothersome for me also, so I think now you may be appointed by me to give first initiations to new disciples by chanting on their beads on my behalf. In America [Disciple 2] is doing that. So now if there are two of you, that will give me great relief. [Disciple 2] will chant on the beads for new devotees in America, Canada, like that; you can chant on the beads for the European continent, new disciples. They shall, of course, still be considered as my disciples, not that they shall become your disciples, but you will be empowered by me to chant their beads and that is the same effect of binding master and disciple as if I were personally chanting." (Letter, January 4, 1973)
"So utilise whatever time you find to make a thorough study of my books. Then all your questions will be answered." "All questions will be clarified if you simply read our books very thoroughly and follow the simple process of devotional service as we have given it to chant regularly and rigidly observe the rules and regulations. This is our principle that the spiritual science becomes revealed to the devotee from within the heart according to the degree of his surrender to Krsna." 70-07-25 "In my books the philosophy of Krsna
Consciousness is explained fully so if there is anything you do not
understand, then you simply have to read again and again. By reading
daily the knowledge will be revealed to you and by this process your
spiritual life will develop." "One should not partially study a book just to pose oneself as a great scholar by being able to refer to scriptures. In our Krishna consciousness movement we have therefore limited our study of Vedic literatures to Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Caitanya-caritamrta, and Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu. These four works are sufficient for preaching purposes. They are adequate for the understanding of the philosophy and the spreading of missionary activities all over the world. If one studies a particular book, he must do so thoroughly. That is the principle. By thoroughly studying a limited number of books, one can understand the philosophy." (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya 22.118, Purport) "Simply read my books and repeat what I have written. Then your preaching will be perfect." (Letter to Ksirodaksayi dated 9-4-75) "Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our books. There is no need whatsoever for any outside instruction." (Letters 73-12-25) "There is no need by any of my disciples to read any books besides my books--in fact, such reading may be detrimental to their advancement in Krishna Consciousness. All reading of outside books, except in certain authorized cases such as for example to read some philosopher like Plato to make an essay comparing his philosophy with Krishna's philosophy--but otherwise all such outside reading should be stopped immediately. It is simply another botheration. If my students cannot even read my own books thoroughly, why they should read others? I have given you TLC, what need is there to read Caitanya Caritamrta translated by someone else. You are right to stop such reading." (Letter to Sri Govinda, 20 January, 1972) His (Brahma's) acceptance of the sound was due to his pure vision of the absolute nature of the Lord. And due to his correct vision, he made no distinction between the Lord and the Lord's instruction. There is no difference between the Lord and sound vibration coming from Him, even though He is not personally present. The best way of understanding is to accept such divine instruction, and Brahma, the prime spiritual master of everyone, is the living example of this process of receiving transcendental knowledge. The potency of transcendental sound is never minimized because the vibrator is apparently absent. Therefore Srimad-Bhagavatam or Bhagavad-gita or any revealed scripture in the world is never to be accepted as an ordinary mundane sound without transcendental potency. (Srimad Bhagavatam 2.9.8 purport) D. Reading his spoken (audio taped) translations and purports is equal to hearing directly:
"That is the difference, hearing from devotees, the sound vibration coming from the realized person. Reading the book is the same thing . . . tattva-darsana--hearing from one who has seen the truth. Reading or hearing from the realized person there is no difference, but hearing the sound vibration from the realized soul is still more effective, better." (Letters 76-04-16) Paramahamsa: My question is, a pure devotee, when he comments on Bhagavad Gita, someone who never sees him physically, but he just comes in contact with the commentary, explanation, is this the same thing? Srila Prabhupada: Yes. You can associate with Krsna by reading Bhagavad-Gita. And these saintly persons, they have given their explanations, comments. So where is the difficulty? (Morning Walk, Paris 11/6/74) "Here is the remedy for eliminating all inauspicious things within the heart which are considered to be obstacles in the path of self-realization. The remedy is the association of the Bhagavatas. There are two types of Bhagavatas, namely the book Bhagavata and the devotee Bhagavata. Both the Bhagavatas are competent remedies, and both of them or either of them can be good enough to eliminate the obstacles. A devotee Bhagavata is as good as the book Bhagavata because the devotee Bhagavata leads his life in terms of the book Bhagavata and the book Bhagavata is full of information about the Personality of Godhead and His pure devotees, who are also Bhagavatas. Bhagavata book and person are identical." (SB 1.2.18 purport) "This Srimad-Bhagavatam is the literary incarnation of God, and it is compiled by Srila Vyasadeva, the incarnation of God. It is meant for the ultimate good of all people, and it is all-successful, all-blissful and all-perfect." (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.3.40) PURPORT
E. Understanding Srila Prabhupada's books (Vedanta-sruti) is more important than having his physical presence:
"I understand that you are feeling my absence. Krishna will give you strength. Physical presence is immaterial; presence of the transcendental sound received from the spiritual master should be the guidance of life. That will make our spiritual life successful. If you feel very strongly about my absence you may place my pictures on my sitting places and this will be source of inspiration for you." (Letter to Brahmananda and other students, 19/1/67) "So although a physical body is not present, the vibration should be accepted as the presence of the Spiritual Master, vibration. What we have heard from the Spiritual Master, that is living." (General lectures, 69/01/13)
"If there is no chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a devotee should serve him by remembering his instructions. There is no difference between the spiritual master's instructions and the spiritual master himself. In his absence, therefore, his words of direction should be the pride of the disciple." (CC Adi 1.35 purport)
(CC, Antya 5 Conclusion)
(SB 3:31:48)
(Letter to Malati, 28/5/68)
“Simply by chanting the holy name of Krishna once, a person is relieved from all the reactions of a sinful life. One can complete the nine processes of devotional service simply by chanting the holy name. One does not have to undergo initiation or execute the activities required before initiation. One simply has to vibrate the holy name with his lips. Thus even a man in the lowest class [candala] can be delivered. (Caitanya Caritamrta madhya 15:107,108) IV. HISTORICAL BASIS FOR RECEIVING DIKSA FROM SRILA PRABHUPADA VIA RITVIK REPRESENTATIVE
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3. Lakshmi Tatachar: "Again I have to stress that the letter makes it amply clear that the disciples thus initiated by the representatives of Srila Prabhupada are only the disciples of Srila Prabhupada only, not of the representatives. I also want to confirm that this system can continue perpetually even in the physical absence of HH Srila Prabhupadaji as it has continued in Ramanujas tradition as any person initiated by any acharya has dasyanama like Lakshmittathacharya Ramanuja Dasa though Ramanuja passed away long ago. Hope, Madhupandit Dasaji, I have made my point clear. http://www.vnn.org/world/WD9902/WD09-2979.html B. Due to over one hundred years separation, there was no physical meeting between Narottamadas Thakura and Vishvanath Chakravarty Thakura in our disciplic line. "Regarding parampara system: there is nothing to wonder for big gaps [...] we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krsna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system - namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do not hamper from understanding the parampara system. We have to pick up the prominent acaryas, and follow from him [...] We have to pick up from the authority of the acarya in whatever sampradaya we belong to." (SP Letter to Dayananda, 12/4/68) C. First time in known history the complete Vedanta-sruti (Bhagavad-gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Chaitanya Charitamrita, Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu) of an uttama-adhikari in Lord Chaitanya's disciplic succession was tape recorded in English (and translated into other languages), making the knowledge by which all sin is destroyed (diksa) available at anytime anywhere. Thus there is no need for any other translator nor translation of the original sanskrit verses. D. Invention of the printing press allowed words to be mass duplicated on paper and distributed worldwide for anyone to read (hear) which necessitates a ritvik system for initiations to keep up with demand. E. Invention of the audio tape recorder allowed the spoken words of the uttama adhikari diksa-guru to be recorded live directly (no misinterpretation) which does not necessitate his physical presence for hearing the Vedanta-sruti from the diksa-guru and thus the transference of transcendental knowledge (diksa). F. In this most fallen age of Kali-yuga, the uttama adhikari diksa-guru is very rare thus the presence of the above technological inventions makes the ritvik system most practical in a worldwide sankirtan organization, which allows the uttama adhikari diksa-guru's comprehensive instructions (vedanta-sruti) to be uniformly present everywhere in the world for all time, as opposed to the ever changing physically present diksa-guru system. The continuity of keeping the founder-acarya in the center via the ritvik system saves time, labor, and money in the organization. V. QUALIFICATIONS OF THE DIKSA-GURU
"When one HAS attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshipped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru."(Emph.added) (C.c. Madhya, 24.330, purport) The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru must be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. It is said: gurur nrnam. The word nrnam means "of all human beings." The guru is not limited to a particular group. (C.C. Madhya 24.330)
"I wish that each and every Branch shall keep their independent identity and cooperate keeping the Acarya in the centre. On this principle we can open any number of Branches all over the world. The Ramakrishna mission works on this principle and thus as organization they have done wonderfully." (Letter to: Kirtanananda 67-02-11) 750716pc.sf Conversations April/22/1977 Bombay India
guru. Maybe one day it may be possible...
Tamala Krsna: The process of purification must be there.
Tamala Krsna: Not rubber stamp.
(Note - Did this fact changed in one month?)
77.02 VERY
DANGEROUS. Srila Prabhupada: "Our mission is to serve, bhakta vishesha,
and live with devotees. NOT THAT YOU TAKE THE PLACE OF GURU. That is
all nonsense. Very DANGEROUS, then everything will be SPOILED. As soon
as you become ambitious to take the place of guru- 1) zonal acaryas/the 2/3 voted in or out rubber-stamped (uttama-adhikari) diksa-gurus
3) reinitiations or the acceptance of more than one diksa/initiating spiritual master
5) minimizing the words of the pure devotee (vedanta-sruti) as insufficient for transmitting transcendental knowledge by which all sin is destroyed (diksa) and minimizing the authority of the spiritual master and the Vedas (sruti and smriti sastras). 6) neglecting the orders of the spiritual master
VIII. BENEFITS OF THE RITVIK SYSTEM
B. The ritvik system allows Srila Prabhupada's disciples to advance harmoniously from kanistha to madhyam and finally uttama-adhikari with no discrepancy in qualifications due to posing as guru immaturely; and, the resulting corruption, division, and chaos within the society on the ontological question of who is a pure devotee. IX. CONCLUSION
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