Follow up SP lecture-Who can understand God?
"Thus established in the mode of goodness, the man rejuvenated by
loving service to the Lord gains liberation from material association
or mukti, and comes to know scientifically of the Personality of
Godhead." ...Vijnana means science. Without scientific knowledge, one
cannot understand what is God. Bhagavat-tattva-vijnanam. And who can
understand this vijnana, this scientific knowledge? Mukta-sangasya.
One who is liberated from the contamination of the three modes of
material nature, he can understand. Those who are contaminated with tamo-guna, rajo-guna, they can
create their own God. There are different types of "God" also. In one
sense everyone is God. God means the controller. So everyone is to
some extent a controller. But as I have explained several times, real
controller means who is not controlled by others. That is God. If I am
controlled by the material nature, daivi hy esa gunamayi mama maya
duratyaya... Birth, death, old age and disease, if I am controlled by
these conditions of nature, then how I can become God? God is never
controlled. Therefore one who can understand God must be free from the
contamination of this material nature. Mukta-sangasya.... ...you shall be prasanna-manasa. You shall be always feeling jolly. If I
am not jolly, if I am not prasanna-manasa, that means maya has
attacked me. A bhagavad-bhakta shall never be aprasanna, not joyful.
Always joyful. If he is actually in contact with Krsna, how he can
become morose? No. If he is morose, if he is unhappy, that means maya
has attacked him. This is the test.... Anyone who has taken seriously devotional service... Vasudeve
bhagavati bhakti-yogah prayojitah, janayaty asu vairagyam. Liberation
means knowledge and detachment. Knowledge, full knowledge means that
"I am not this body, I am spirit soul, and my bodily activities are
not congenial for my ultimate goal of life. I must engage myself in spiritual activity." This is called jnana and vairagya. When one knows
that he is not body, then why should he work hard day and night for
maintaining this body? That is knowledge. And karmis, they are trying
to maintain this body. Sometimes karmis also take to bhakti-yoga. Not
bhakti-yoga, so-called bhakti. But their aim is how to maintain this body nicely. That is also accepted. Akamah sarva-kamo va moksa-kama
udara-dhih. Because if you take to bhakti-yoga even for maintaining
this body nicely, that is also very nice, because gradually, due to
the influence of bhakti-yoga, you will come to the platform of mukta,
mukta-sanga. Bhakti-yoga is so strong. ... .. So when we understand the truth, the Absolute Truth,
scientifically, that is called bhagavat-tattva-vijnanam. That
bhagavat-tattva-vijnanam is understandable by a person who is
liberated. One who is very busy, anxious with politics, sociology,
humanitarianism, one who is very busy always in politics, how he can
become interested or how he can understand bhagavat-tattva-vijnanam?
That is not possible.
Therefore these are the tests to understand. A politician may pose
himself that he is very advanced in spiritual life, but when we see
that he is more interested in politics than in Krsna, then we can
understand what is his position. These are the tests. Or politics or
sociology or anything, a pure devotee is always interested how Krsna
would be satisfied. ...So human being in the modes of ignorance and passion, they
are animals. They are not considered as human being. They are animals.
Rajas-tamo-bhavah, kama-lobhadayas ca ye. So actually a person is
considered to be human being when he comes to the platform of goodness
or he acquires the quality of a bona fide brahmana. Then he is
considered as human being.... ....the evolutionary process... According to sastra, it is said that...
The Darwin's theory says from monkey. That is also fact, that after
monkey the living entity comes to the human form. Somebody says after
lion. Somebody says after cow. So from the animals, we, the human form
is developed. So unless that human body also reformed, so he remains
animal. That reformation required, samskara, reformation,
enlightenment, cultural life. That cultural life culminates when one
actually becomes a brahmana, Vaisnava. That is real cultural life. Not
by birth but by cultivation of knowledge, education, advancement,
spiritual knowledge, one comes to the platform of brahmana.
So manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye. This is the
platform of siddhi. But nobody is interested to become a brahmana,
qualified. Everyone wants to become a sudra. Kalau sudrah sambhavah.
Especially in this age nobody is interested. Just like we are asking
people to take to Krsna consciousness and give up the habit of illicit
sex life and intoxication and gambling and meat-eating, and people
laugh, that "What is this? This is the life. If we give up these
things..." Especially in the Western countries, they think it is
denying the primary necessities of life. They say. Some of my
students, they left our association because they could not follow these principles. They are complaining that "Prabhupada is denying the
primary necessities of life." Therefore it is said, manusyanam
sahasresu. It is very difficult to give up these four bad habits.
Manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye. But this is the path of
perfection. But they are not interested in perfection. They want to
rot as hogs and dogs in this world. That is their purpose. And
therefore Krsna says, manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye.
Nobody is interested to become brahmana. They are interested to become
dogs and hogs. That is their interest. Manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye. And yatatam api
siddhanam. It is not that coming to the platform of a qualified
brahmana, one can understand Krsna. That is also not. Still, you have
to go farther. Brahma-bhuta. Brahma janati iti brahmanah. Brahmana can
understand Brahman. He can understand that he is also part and parcel
of Brahman. But that understanding is not sufficient. He has to go
further, to become a Vaisnava, to understand the Supreme Personality
of Godhead, the Absolute Truth, as person. Vaisnava means to
understand the Absolute Truth as person, not imperson. In the brahmana
state, even they understand Brahman, that is impersonal view. But one
has to go far above. Brahmeti paramatmeti bhagavan iti sabdyate. One
has to make progress from the Brahman platform to Paramatma platform,
then to the Personality of Godhead understanding. ....One has to become liberated from the brahminical stage also. Then he
can understand Krsna.
So Krsna understanding is not so easy. It is very difficult. Krsna
says. But by the grace of Krsna, because He wanted to distribute
Himself, Caitanya Mahaprabhu is giving us Krsna freely...
Krsna-prema-pradaya te. Rupa Gosvami says that namo maha-vadanyaya.
Krsna was also not so liberal. He simply asked us, "Surrender," but He
did not distribute Himself. But in the form of Caitanya Mahaprabhu He
distributed Himself: "Take Me, take Me, take Me. Without any price,
take Me." This is Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who is Krsna, and He has come
in the form of Caitanya, Krsna Caitanya, to distribute Himself.
Therefore He is recognized, namo maha-vadanyaya, "the most
munificent." No other incarnation, even Ramacandra or Bhagavan Krsna,
they were not so liberal. But Caitanya Mahaprabhu is so liberal. Papi
tapi jata chilo hari-name uddharilo. They distributed Himself through
the chanting of Hare Krsna mantra.
So these Krsna consciousness movement, the Westerners, they are
understanding Krsna. It is very, very difficult subject matter. But
because we are trying to understand Krsna through Caitanya Mahaprabhu,
therefore it has become easy. Otherwise it is very difficult subject.
Otherwise Krsna Himself said, manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati
sidd... It will take... But as we are fallen, Krsna is also as much
liberal also, this age. So if we still, you do not take advantage,
then how much unfortunate we are, we can consider.
Thank you very much. Hare Krsna. (end)
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