Please accept my humble obeisances all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
The Sampradaya Sun fears Srila Prabhupada and his free press, the Sun is Yellow.
Rochon has already told you at the beginning of his letter here that he will not post what you send. His saying that they will read with interest is a blatant lie. Other wise why would he say "we will not likely publish your postings" ? Then he criticizes you for past dealings and your content at that time and demands that you give something new that he has not seen. Here he is supportive completely of his lacky George so do you see, you are wasting your time. "In the meantime, we welcome George's summary statements on the discussion he's having with you, and encourage him to present such summaries for the Sun readers". George and Rochon are then allowed to edit what he is getting from you then place in at the Sun and if you try to respond to defend yourself your complete posting will not be allowed at the Sun. Then you must post Georges article elsewhere in order to get your opinion heard all the while Georges/Rochons spiritually corrupted propaganda gets spread and the Sun gets a mention. That's more wasted time. Rochon is a nobody that simply wastes time. He welcomes George because George follows where he is lead he is not an independant thinker. Rochon wants blind following of his misunderstandings. I will continue to reference the Sun in order to expose them to society as spiritually corrupt as I and others have been doing.
There is no independant discussions between George and you, Rochon will be there to feed off the exchange. Rochon must be abandoned, one sure way to get rid of rodents is to remove all nourishment.
They are as blind as it gets, anything new would not be recognised by them because we have exposed new material and they lie saying it is old. They are waving at you from their own asylum, the Sampradaya Asylum. This way he can have unlimited literature to pick apart simply feeding like vultures.
Rochon suffers from a superiority complex, you ought to know that by now. The last few weeks his postings from his handlers in the Gaudia Math where he approved of their Vaisnava apparada directly at Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet will tell you where the only two staff members at the Sun are going to. He does not follow his own editorial policy..."gratuitous propagandizing, offering arguments that have previously been published, over and over, without giving any new arguments, realizations or evidence." They are like the old broken record. They are in need of some attention but not from Srila Prabhupada's disciples.
Don't waste your valuable time, they are sleeping, no one is making any spiritual advancement by reading the Sampradaya Sun they are only becoming more and more confused. Associate with confused individuals and one becomes confused. They have absolutely no connection with Srila Prabhupada anymore, they are disconnected, Srila Prabhupada's legacy is a gold mine for them while they soul kill their readers. See my article below and references proving that the Sampradaya Sun "staff" will post severe offences to Srila Prabhupada to suit their life style.
Sampradaya Sun has dried up any respect they ever had simply by publishing their own and others severe offences to Srila Prabhupada.
We have the Prabhupadanugas web site, the Hare Krishna Movement, Srila Prabhupada's Hare Krishna Society, ISKCON Times, Prabahupada Vision and more are getting ready to set up. Rochon and his "staff' are simply not worth the ink, they never really were.
The Sampradaya Sun has no divine instructions, it won't go on forever and their followers will never live with them.
Ys Hasti Gopala dasa
PS. Below this is my latest poem, Sampradaya Sun Over ISKCON Bog
First of all the CC referenced here is of no use unless it can be verified as original first printing, not changed. Second, I do not reference or observe references of any publications from the BBT. Get that out of the way right now, that's my editorial policy.
The first paragraph is not validated by what is in the CC. The first paragraph is designed to give a conclusion to the reader so that his thoughts may fit into the CC presented, if that is at all possible. The topic of ritvik is not presented in the CC here as posted therefore it does not apply to the thoughts of the first paragraph. To openly discuss "ritvik" one must source all of those references in relation to Srila Prabhupada's history and then apply them in contrast to the CC references. This is not done. Rochon loves to use the word "asiddhantic" and he may have added that here.
The next part is the inference without reference that ritvik initiators are "imagining" something and as you read on it infers that Srila Prabhupada was also "imagining". At the end of the first paragraph he is saying that he has something to offer "that nobody reading could possibly argue with". Who is it that this piece is directed to? He doesn't say. For a first time reader of the Sun this article will mean nothing and for the experienced and thoughtful Srila Prabhupada follower and disciple it is of no use because it is BBT and most likely not fully original. If it is original then he should have sourced that for us, if he is directing this piece to us, the Prabhupadanugas.
He is saying in the second paragraph that he offers no conclusions so are we to try and "imagine" what his conclusions would be? Imagine that. He says "I think Srila Prabhupada has made them very clear". If he is not convinced that "they are very clear" then his presentation is doubtful from the beginning. He is also admitting his doubt and indirectly telling the reader that they must also doubt so therefore the reader must do nothing. He says that that is his advice. Would anyone take advice from this guy? Nope! Arjuna was in doubt while talking to Krsna but Krsna never said to "do nothing". He said "fight for me" ( my quote ) We as followers, disciples and teachers for Srila Prabhupada are never in doubt, we don't worry about initiation because we understand from Srila Prabhupada everything about initiation, all aspects and we understand that Srila Prabhupada is present at all times. He told us this, he taught us this. So this gentleman has the nerve to tell innocent people through the Sampradaya Sun and Rochon that Srila Prabhupada no longer exists and that no one can take shelter of him? Just see the Editorial Policy of the Sampradaya Sun in action here. They agree with Hamsavatar Dasa that Srila Prabhupada was simply imagining things as a conditioned soul, is gone, dead and not available for anyone to take shelter of.
The Sampradaya Sun quite clearly here is grasping at anything they can throw at Srila Prabhupada these days to defame him and his disciples, that's nothing new, but remember, defaming Srila Prabhupada is the same as defaming Krsna, Lord Caitanya and oh yes...the Sampradaya. Lord Yamaraja has some nice places for such offenders.
Ys Hasti Gopala Dasa
To Accept or NOT to Accept, That is the Question
BY: HAMSAVATAR DAS
Jul 27, 2011 — OCALA, FLORIDA, USA (SUN) — In reading this discussion brought once again about accepting initiation from nonsense ISKCON gurus being "necessary", as propounded by the fawning followers of such, and the equally nonsensical "asiddhantic" argument of acceptance of "ritvik" initiation by someone imagining that they are empowered to initiate disciples for Srila Prabhupada, with the promise to the initiates that they have now become His duly initiated disciples, I wish to proffer something that nobody reading this could possibly argue with.
It is an exact copy and paste from Prabhupada's Chaitanya-caritamrita, Madhya Lila, Chapter 15, verses 107 through 111. Instead of my offering conclusions, I think Srila Prabhupada has made them very clear. My own advice, though, from an old Hindu saying: "When in doubt, do nothing", and I think this applies to whether or not to worry about initiation when an uttama-adhikari is not present to take shelter of.
Sampradaya Fog Over ISKCON Bog
ISKCON’S Bog under Sampradaya Fog
Call their pundit pimps
To pinch another log
From and endless supply
Of barkin like a dog
To serve their fat
Then wallow like a hog.
Like independent creeps
Blazing short trails
Their deeds are tracked
Like old slimy snails
In Srila Prabhupada’s teachings
Their lying fails
While securing their place
In old Durga jails
It is very curious
It is very odd
They employ vast holdings
To hide away God
No dancers no answers
Is the rule of their rod
Stay away from their keeping
Stay away from their pod
Embrace love of freedom
Embrace love of God
Through the world living master
That is Srila Prabhupada.
Hasti Gopala Dasa July 28th 2011
Dear Mahesh Raja,
Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
While we will read with interest your exchanges with George Prabhu, we
will not be likely to publish your postings from this thread in the Sun.
We extended a formal invitation to debate to you on Rtvik-vada, and you
refused to meet it. As you know, and as the Editorials index
demonstrates, we've made every effort to welcome your pro-Rtvik writings
in the Sun over the years. We only rejected articles, or cut text from
your published articles, in which you insisted on gratuitous
propagandizing, offering arguments that have previously been published,
over and over, without giving any new arguments, realizations or evidence.
Although you knew our editorial policies in this regard, you took
offense to this and broke off communications with us. That's your choice.
But don't now expect us to begin publishing your writings again.
Whatever arguments you make with George, or make in other forums, or that
you've made in past Sun articles, we will address them in a detailed
analysis of your position in the weeks/months ahead in the Sun as part of
this ongoing commentary on Rtvik-vada. In the meantime, we welcome
George's summary statements on the discussion he's having with you, and
encourage him to present such summaries for the Sun readers.
Hoping this finds you well,