Sunday Morning With Srila Prabhupada
Paramahamsa: In Newsweek Magazine--it's the largest magazine in the United States--there was an article about the degradation of
Christianity, and they summarized it with a cartoon, a picture of the devil, you know maya. This is their image of maya. And he was causing
earthquakes. There was a very large earthquake in South America. It killed many thousands of people. So they attribute this to maya. And
right next to them was a picture of Richard Nixon, because he is a very famous, you know... He presents himself as a follower of Christ.
And he's bombing Southeast Asia.
Prabhupada: "Thou shalt not kill."
Paramahamsa: Yeah. And the devil turned to Richard Nixon and said, "It's hell keeping up with Christians."
Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes, people will criticize like that. People are becoming advanced. How long you can cheat them with so-called science,
so-called religion? Now you take up this Krsna consciousness movement seriously. He will give real thing. Try to understand. Yasmin vijnate
sarvam evam vijnatam bhavati. If you simply understand Krsna, everything will be known to you. This is the process. If you simply understand Krsna, Krsna is explaining Himself in the Bhagavad-gita--you know everything. You know everything. So man is the sample of God. So why don't you try, study nicely man, and you can know, understand God, what is God. I asked these Christian people, "If man is made after the image of God, you
study very scrutinizingly a perfect human being, and you will know what is God."
Umapati: The most ideal image of a human being is God.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is the Vedic injunction. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam. So you take a perfect man. Just like Krsna, you take a perfect man, take him as man, you see that He is God. He has got all the perfections. Even if you take him as a man.
Paramahamsa: No competition.
Umapati: Father, how is it that we can enjoy this energy we are in, Krsna's energy now, and we acknowledge it as Krsna's in the neophyte stage. A pure devotee realizes it as Krsna's energy, but as a neophyte, how do we enjoy material energy in this aspect, the fresh air and the morning walk.
Prabhupada: A neophyte or anyone who is not in Krsna consciousness, he does not enjoy. He simply suffers. There is no question of enjoyment. Anyone who is not in Krsna consciousness, he does not enjoy. He simply suffers. But he takes the suffering as enjoyment. That is maya. That is maya. Just like in your country, they are working day and night. Just like from the morning, gugugugugugugugugu (makes noise of machine
that is on nearby) They are suffering, but the people are coming, enjoying golf. That is suffering only. From the morning, going here, is it not suffering? (laughter) But he's thinking, "I am enjoying." This is maya.
Umapati: Just like the doctor's...
Prabhupada: Yes. This is maya. He is suffering, but he's thinking I am enjoying. So any conditioned soul, he doesn't enjoy anything. He simply suffers. But he thinks that he is enjoying. Therefore the camel, camel example is given. Camel example. Camel, he is eating his own blood, eating thorns, and the thorns cutting the tongue, and from the tongue, blood is oozing out. So when the blood is mixed up with the thorny twigs, it becomes little tasteful, and he is thinking "Oh, it is very nice." Similarly, all these grhasthas, enjoying sex life, he is discharging his own blood, he's becoming weaker and weaker, he is thinking, "I am enjoying." He is thinking, "I am enjoying." And if he uses more, then he becomes diseased, tuberculosis. He is dying by that process, but he's thinking, "I am enjoying." Therefore it is example for the camel. He is enjoying his own blood by discharging.
One drop of semen is made out of so many drops of blood. Do you know?
Svarupa Damodara: Forty drops.
Prabhupada: Just see. And how many, how much drops of semen he is discharging... That means he's spoiling his blood. But he is thinking,
"I am enjoying." Would you like to, by giving your blood to enjoy? Would you like?
Umapati: No, I don't think I'd like.
Prabhupada: But you are doing that, every night. And that is called maya.
Umapati: I'm a brahmacari, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: No, you are...(laughter) I am giving an example. This is going on. He is going to die. He has adopted a process by which he will die, and he thinks that he is enjoying. This is called maya. Maya means things which is not, maya. Ma means not, ya means this. "What you are thinking, it is not that." That is called maya. So they are in maya means, they are thinking, these rascals, they are thinking, improving, becoming happy, advancing this maya word will finish everything, ma, ya: "Not this." Bhagavata says that "You are thinking you are becoming victorious, but you are being defeated." Parabhavas tavad abodha-jatah. These rascal, abodha-jatah, born fools and rascal, they are becoming defeated in every step. Parabhavas tavad abodha-jato yavan na jijnasata atma-tattvam. So long he does not inquire about his self, "What I am," he is simply being defeated. That's all. This is the verdict.
Umapati: Walking further into the cave.
Prabhupada: He's working foolishly like animal. He does not know what is soul, what he is, nothing of the sort. He is working hard day and night and he is thinking, "I am becoming victorious." This is called maya. What victory? Have you won victory over birth, death, the real problem? "No. We have won victory. We can now, without horse, we can go with a car." So what is that? With a horse or without horse, you cannot go anywhere else. You will be here within this world. That's all. Just like these rascals, now they have invented car. You know that? Formerly they were walking.
Karandhara: Yes. Now he is pulling car.
Prabhupada: That's all. You know the cow? The cow is stuck up with a pole in India and long rope, and he's thinking, "I am free."
Krsna-kanti: They[karmis] have made a longer rope.
Prabhupada: Yes. And he is thinking, "I am so free." Is not? This rascaldom is going on.
Paramahamsa: The one who wrote Paradise Lost, Milton, he also wrote a poem which said that, "A working man is nothing but a devil's slave."
Prabhupada: Yes, that's it.
Paramahamsa: "He works so hard for his money, but not his life can he save."
Prabhupada: No, what he will do with the money? He will satisfy his senses, that's all.
Paramahamsa: So he sells his life.
Prabhupada: So he's servant of the senses.
Umapati: He sells his energy...
Umapati: Krsna's energy that is in him, maya's energy.
Prabhupada: (break) ...transmigration of soul. Suppose this time I am very great scientist, and next life I become a tree like this. What is my advancement? Stand up for ten thousand years. What is the advancement?
Svarupa Damodara: Going backwards.
Prabhupada: Yes. Going to hell, that's all. You are trying to be naked; nature will say, "Yes, you stand here naked for ten thousand years." Yes. That is the punishment for being naked. Human life is not meant for becoming naked. That is according to Vedic civilization a great sin. You see. So their, their propensity they are increasing to become naked like our George... What's his name? Lennon, Lennon. So
next time he is going to be tree, stand up. Otherwise wherefrom the trees come? They cannot explain. You become tree. That's all. Just
like the Nalakuvara; they were taking bath naked without caring for Narada. All right, you become naked for one hundred years.
Svarupa Damodara: Among the trees also, there are different grades of trees, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Oh yes, everywhere different grades. That is God's creation, variety.
Svarupa Damodara: So those trees which bear nice fruits and nice flowers, they are...
Prabhupada: Yes, they are pious, pious trees. Otherwise why I am taking care of this leaf? Because the flower is there. And who cares for this leaf? Trampling down. As in the human society, there is first-class man, second-class man, third-class man, similarly in every field, first-class, animal also.
Svarupa Damodara: Cows.
Prabhupada: Yes. Useful, giving milk. Most humble, useful. Even after death it is useful. And they are so rascal, they are taking care of the dog, not of the cow. Just see how they are rascals. And they are advanced, civilized. They do not know what is meant by civilization. Now, according to Vedic scripture, cow killing is sinful. It is never written, dog killing is sinful. Generally, any animal you kill, that is sinful. But especially cow killing is sinful. Go-hatya. Go-hatya. And that cow killing is going on by the Christian world, and still, they are religious. What kind of religion? Christian religion says generally, "Thou shalt not kill." All... And especially they are killing cows. Generally killing and especially killing. First thing is
why they shall kill at all? In America, oh, they have got sufficient food. So much rice, so much wheat, so much oats, fruits, grains and butter and ghee. So why they shall kill? What is the reason?
Umapati: Uncontrollable tongue.
Prabhupada: Yes. Now what is that bird who is killed in Christmas?
Prabhupada: Turkey, you see. Now, Christmas, God's Christmas, Jesus Christ. He said, "Thou shalt not kill." But his birthday is observed
by killing, killing, killing, killing, killing.
NOW ON THE OTHER HAND FOR THOSE WHO ARE PIOUS, THE DEVOTEES,THEY GET TO DO THE FOLLOWING ACTIVITIES....
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