What do you mean by householder?
Indian man (2): Can one be a householder, I mean, with his normal
worldly life, and at the same time be a...
Prabhupada: First of all, what do you mean by householder?
Indian man (2): I mean continue the normal, occupation of one's...
Prabhupada: Say me. Explain what is householder.
Indian man (2): Looking after one's business, after one's...
Prabhupada: So that is... Dog is also doing that business.
Indian man (2): Pardon?
Prabhupada: Dog is also doing that. Is he householder? Taking care of
children, the dog is also doing that. So is he householder? First of
all, you do not know what is meant by householder. Taking care of
children, that is done by the birds. In the nest the small kiddies are
there, and they are bringing food and pushing in the mouth, (makes
bird noise:) "Tee, tee, tee, tee, tee." Are they householder? And if
you think they are householder, you are also householder like the dogs
and birds. You do not know what is householder. Therefore you have to
consult sastra, who is a householder. Sastra says, pita na sa syaj
janani na sa syat, na mocayed yah samupeta-mrtyum: "You should not
become a father and mother unless you take the responsibility for
children that no more birth." Because this is the problem,
janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-duhkha-dosanudarsanam. If you are so able
father and mother that you can stop this miserable condition of your
children, then you become householder. That is householder. Otherwise
what is the use of becoming a householder like dogs and cats? There is
no use. There are so many cats and dogs. What is use of increasing?
Now government is forcing: "Do not produce cats and dogs. Take these
inhibitions(?)." Because the whole world is fed up with these cats and
dogs householders. Real householder is, sastra says, "Don't become a
father, don't become a mother, if you cannot protect your children..."
Samupeta-mrtyum. And they are required. If you can do that, then you
are welcome. You can produce hundreds of children. But you cannot
protect yourself; how you'll be able to protect your children? All
bogus. Householder is allowed, as brahmacari-asrama, grhastha-asrama.
It is not meant that... Big, big personality were householder. Lord
Ramacandra was householder. Arjuna was householder. Prahlada Maharaja
was a householder. Janaka Maharaja was householder. But they were not
cats and dogs. So be householder. You do the duty of real householder.
Don't become cats and dogs. Then where is human civili...? What is the
distinct between cats and dogs and human civilization if you do the
same thing? Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. Then you are huma..., not even
human being. What is the question of householder? Be householder as it
is in the civilized codes, human history, they are... Otherwise
refrain. Householder does not mean to satisfy, what is called, itching
sensation of the genitals. That is not householder. Yan
maithunadi-grhamedhi-sukham hi tuccham. To satisfy the itching
sensation, that is not householder. Here is householder. Protect your
children from death. Can you do that? That kind of householder, at
least, the trees on the street, everywhere... There is no question of
becoming householder. The whole Bhagavad-gita... Arjuna, he was
householder. He was politician. So he did not give up anything. Before
his hearing Bhagavad-gita he was the same, a large family, and he was
fighting for some material interests. And after hearing Bhagavad-gita
he remained the same, not that he gave up fighting and went to the
forest. These things are not required. But he changed his
consciousness--karisye vacanam tava. And that is required. You remain
in any condition of life, but follow the instruction of Krsna. That is
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