The most important fundamental knowledge a devotee needs to advance in Krishna consciousness is based on understanding Srila Prabhupada’s position as sad-guru, the eternal spiritual master. Without this understanding, ones practice of Krishna consciousness in this age cannot be effective.
“The spiritual master is always considered either one of the confidential associates of Radharani or a manifested representation of Sri Nityananda.” (Cc. Adi. 1.46, Purport)
“On the whole, the spiritual master is an agent of Krishna. Either he is assistant to the Gopis or assistant to the Cowherd Boys. He is on the level of Krishna. That is verdict of all scriptures. Krishna is the worshipable God, and the spiritual master is worshiper God.” (Letter, Sept. 26, 1969)
“Presently people are so fallen that they cannot distinguish between a liberated soul and a conditioned soul.” (SB. 4.18.5, Purport)
Interestingly, in the statement immediately above, Srila Prabhupada laments not that people in the present times are addicted to sinful life but that they are unable to distinguish between conditioned souls and liberated souls.
In our Gaudiya Sampradaya of Vaisnava acaryas, coming directly from Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, many nitya-siddhas have appeared to assist the Lord in His mission. It is said that some of these personalities, like Srila Haridas Thakura and Sri Vasudeva Datta, are even more merciful than Lord Caitanya Himself. As stated in a song by Srila Narottama Das Thakura and confirmed by Srila Prabhupada, simply by understanding and accepting that such great personalities are nitya-siddha parishads, or eternally liberated associates of the Supreme Lord, Sri Krishna Caitanya, one is immediately promoted to Goloka Vrindaban. Therefore to think their worship or praise is customary hyperbole that can imitated, or to think ordinary souls can approach their level of divinity, is the greatest misfortune that can befall a person in this age.
Imitators Will Become Degraded
Recently someone sent me a link to a YouTube Video wherein two of maya-iskcon’s most infamous upstarts were speaking for hours, trying to justify their belief that self-appointed or elected iskcon “gurus”, or iskurus, particularly themselves, should be allowed to have their followers worship them in Srila Prabhupada’s temples on a daily basis. They insist that iskuru followers should be allowed to install iskuru photos on their personal so-called vyasasanas and on the altars with the Deities and our nitya-siddha parampara. They also defend their self-proclaimed titles-- titles that have traditionally been used only by great self-realized acaryas, or maha-bhagavatas. These unauthorized practices of worship were creating so much disturbance in post-1978 Iskcon that most senior devotees, as well as the gbc body, finally rejected them. These two men, however, have always been the most stubborn defenders of their own worship.
Unfortunately, during this dialogue Srila Prabhupada was deliberately minimized and neglected. For instance, one of these pretenders referred to Srila Prabhupada as the “so-called” Founder-Acharya of ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada insisted upon this exclusive title for very good reasons. This video and the histories of these two men illustrate how even those who are supposedly advanced Vaisnava leaders quickly lose their intelligence and become degraded due to “envy of the exalted status of the spiritual master.”
One of these so-called swamis had blooped from ISKCON in the 1967 or 1968, just after Srila Prabhupada made him a sannyasi. He had become puffed up after becoming a sannyasi and was apparently unable to tolerate Srila Prabhupada’s supreme position as Founder-Acarya of ISKCON. He then tried to create his own cult, but failed, and later came back to Srila Prabhupada’s mission. He was quite perturbed later on, in 1976, when Srila Prabhupada corrected him after he had tried to post himself as “Founder-Acarya” of Srila Prabhupada’s original farm community. Srila Prabhupada said that He alone was the Founder-Acarya of this community, and He told this man to remove this title from his name in the community journal.
In this video this same upstart suggests he would surpass Srila Prabhupada in his level of devotional service. He flatly stated that anyone who disagreed with his receiving public worship in Srila Prabhupada’s temples was an envious person who did not follow the four regulative principles or understand the siddhanta of guru-tattva.
Shortly after the production of this video, this same man blooped again from iskcon, after receiving a blow to the head and suffering severe brain hemorrhaging. Although he had left the mission in the early days with only two or three friends, this time he took with him hundreds of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples. He then immediately began changing the temple sadhana, eliminating Sanskrit chanting, and he introduced a new dress code, following the style of Christian monks. Shortly thereafter, this deranged man got caught in a sexual act with a boy, even while many of his followers were just outside singing his “glories”. This episode was widely advertised all over the world. I heard the story from one of his most trusted, longtime supporters. After this humiliating incident, most of the leaders under him, as well as most of his rank and file followers, rejected him as their leader. He then went into self-imposed exile in disgrace.
Similarly, the obese gentleman in this video was attacked and had his throat slit. He barely recovered is life and his ability to speak-- yet he kept on spouting nonsense. He was later caught getting a “massage” from a young female admirer. Recently he lapsed into a coma after a severe heart attack, which doctors say was caused due to his constantly gorging himself on rich food. This gentleman was so restless that he spent a fortune every year to fly around the planet by first-class airfare while the cows in his farm project starved due to neglect. He generally used to fly alone and would sometimes go missing for days. Now he travels with an entourage of caretakers and body guards. It is said by those close to him that he rarely chants his rounds, although he used to often claim to chant them on a “clicker” while in flight. Both of these pretender iskurus have had devotees beaten, driven out or even killed for disagreeing with their public worship in Srila Prabhupada’s temples.
In spite of the gbc’s mandate against it, and in spite of the good advice of several of their colleagues and many other devotees, these two guru-bogis are waxing eloquently on camera about the utter necessity of their accepting elaborate daily worship from their misguided followers. These two men, and many others just like them, are perfect illustrations why one should never “envy the exalted status of the spiritual master.” As Srila Prabhupada Himself prophetically warned: “And as soon as he (the upstart) learns that Guru Maharaja is dead, ‘Now I am so advanced that I can kill my guru and I become guru.’ Then he’s finished.” (Conv. Aug. 16, 1976, Bombay)
Although in this video these two men cite scriptural evidence to substantiate that the bona fide spiritual master should be worshiped on the same level as the Supreme Person, Lord Hari, they offer no explanation how they became bona fide spiritual masters without any authorization or self-realization. They fail to explain why Srila Prabhupada should be considered dead and gone (posthumous) and no longer the spiritual master and acarya for all Hare Krishna Vaisnava devotees. They fail to offer any explanation why a third-class sadhaka with a material body should be accepted as the spiritual master by new devotees whereas a nitya-siddha shaktavesa with a fully transcendental body should be barred from that post. Finally, they fail to explain why they defy Srila Prabhupada’s written order to offer formal initiations to new students on His behalf-- by acting as His ritviks, or deputies.
They claim to offer the services of their so-called disciples to Lord Krishna directly. They say this is their own specific service. Yet they fail to explain how they are able to offer things to Krishna directly without bhagavan realization and without first offering everything, including their followers, to Srila Prabhupada. They fail to explain why their followers are barred from approaching Srila Prabhupada directly, although self-appointed iskurus are able to offer everything to Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krishna directly. Using scriptural mandates calling for offering everything to the bona fide spiritual master, they try to justify their bulging personal bank accounts derived from dakshin, or personal donations, and their acceptance of elaborate man-worship in front of the Deities in the temple and Srila Prabhupada’s vyasasana.
Follow Gaudiya Vaisnava Traditions of Humility (Man Worship Rejected)
Such man-worship, or the so-called guru-puja of ordinary preachers, is explicitly forbidden by the sastras, especially when done before the Deity or in the temple. Indeed, it is recommended that even advanced devotees not accept any disciples or such worship. This is the version of sastras. For this reason public worship was not generally accepted by previous acaryas in our Gaudiya Sampradaya. Gaudiya Vaisnava gurus have almost always remained as humble babajis, the topmost emblems of renunciation and Vaisnava humility. Such acaryas, like Srila Rupa Goswami, are the real examples for all devotees to follow, as far as possible. This is why the devotees in our Gaudiya Sampradaya are still known as Rupanugas.
To counteract the propaganda of sahajiyas and mayavad preachers, who were constantly bewildering their followers and the public with a big show of “guru” worship, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura reinstituted the practice of tridandi sannyasa in our Gaudiya Sampradaya, with the accompanying prestige and paraphernalia. He allowed His sannyasis to ride in cars and planes and wear British trench coats, boots and showy turbans when going out to preach Krishna consciousness. He called such dressed up preachers “suited and booted.” (Similarly Srila Prabhupada allowed some his top book distributors to dress like gentlemen karmis when selling books in the airports.)
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Himself, however, like Srila Rupa Goswami, was the very emblem of Vaisnava humility, and although He is the greatest leader of all Vaisnavas, He accepted formal guru-puja in public only once a year on His divine appearance day, but even then not in front of the Deity in the temple. These two great acaryas are the topmost important spiritual masters in history. No other great teacher of Krishna consciousness has tried to imitate their positions as “Prabhupada” or the topmost master of all Vaisnavas. Thus it is hard to find any history of a predecessor acarya of Krishna consciousness accepting regular guru-puja in the temple of the Supreme Lord, even though there is some sastric evidence to support this practice in the case of maha-bhagavatas.
Falsely citing sastra, but not guru or sadhu, one of the gentlemen in this video suggests the absence of daily guru-pujas in Gauidya Math temples was a bogus oversight. What this foolish pretender doesn’t realize is that all devotional traditions established by Srila Rupa Goswami were followed precisely by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati in His Gaudiya Matha temples. Yet the upstart in this video has the audacity to suggest that the Gaudiya Math tradition established by our nitya-siddha param gurus is a tradition of negligence that should be ignored in iskcon by iskurus and their followers.
He suggests it is better that modern-day elected iskurus should instead imitate Srila Prabhupada’s standard of personal worship. This ignorant man doesn’t realize that all bona fide devotees and pujaris from the time of Rupa Gosvami already worship the true guru-parampara daily while worshiping the Deity. Furthermore, all ISKCON devotees are supposed to worship Srila Prabhupada both during mangala aroti and again during the daily guru-puja ceremony in front of Prabhupada’s vyasasana. Iskuru worship is thus an unnecessary and offensive concoction.
Worship the Eternal Sampradaya Acarya (Sri Guru Vandana)
After fulfilling the predictions of Lord Caitanya and great acaryas like Bhaktivinoda Thakura, and after proving by His activities and symptoms that He was the personality predicted by Lord Nityananda, Bhaktivinoda Thakura and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, Srila Prabhupada allowed devotees to begin formal worship of Him on His personal vyasasana in the temples beginning in late 1971. Some devotees had requested him to allow this. In truth, His acceptance of this request was due to His causeless mercy and the direct order of Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga.
I still remember the day we started this practice in Miami ISKCON. That was the first day I felt a real connection to Srila Prabhupada personally. (I had not yet met Him but had been chanting and reading for months.) Interestingly, for me, although I was at first doubtful when I heard about the new program, I felt immediate reciprocation from Srila Prabhupada after singing His prayers and offering a flower and dandavats before His vyasasana. His physical presence was not required.
Just before I first saw Srila Prabhupada in the New York airport in 1972, I expected to attain immediate brahman realization because I assumed that seeing Prabhupada personally would be far more potent than worshiping his picture. But the crowds of devotees, reporters and onlookers created a distraction for me. After this, I preferred to worship Srila Prabhupada with only a few sincere devotees in our sankirtana bus or small preaching center. In other words, Srila Prabhupada does not rely on His physical presence to accept disciples or their worship. The topmost pure devotee is not limited in any way.
Unfortunately, the two iskurus speaking in this video, along with several other upstarts of the same stamp, conspired to remove Srila Prabhupada as guru of ISKCON immediately after His departure from this world—or possibly even before. These unfortunate deviants poisoned the iskcon mission with the idea that Srila Prabhupada is dead and gone and no longer directly available. They poisoned His iskcon mission with the idea that they, a band of neophyte sadhaka preachers, had been appointed by Srila Prabhupada to take His place. When this lie was widely exposed a few years later, they adjusted their stance and said anyone could become a spiritual master or diksa-guru in iskcon without an order from Srila Prabhupada—as long as they got a rubber-stamp approval from the gbc. In this way, with the clever word jugglery of bogus pundits, they avoided total mutiny in the poisoned maya-iskcon and made a bad situation worse.
Nowadays in the maya-iskcon, it seems that almost everyone with any standing at all in the institution, even a dependent woman, wants to be a guru with his or her own disciples and bank accounts. This is the ultimate poisoning of the mission. Instead of learning the art of humble following in the undivided mission of Srila Prabhupada, everyone learns posturing and pretense. This is proof that iskuru proponentshave no faith in any of the other elected iskurus or the concocted system of guru elections they espouse. Otherwise, why do so many devotees feel compelled to become upstart iskurus themselves? There are already so many iskurus in every region and sometimes many in the same temple or town. The reason in many or most cases may likely be personal ambition and a lust for personal distinction, which one great Vaisnava has compared to hog stool. All this false ambition has created innumerable schisms in the once united mission of Srila Prabhupada.
We agree with one point in this video dialogue: that the true spiritual master must be worshiped on the same level as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is acknowledged in all the sastras and supported by all authorities. But the iskcon-gbc -- greatly embarrassed by their own proliferation of cheap iskurus and cheap followers and the repeated gross fall downs of these people-- finally banned public iskuru worship in iskcon temples, although back room or back alley worship is still allowed. The gbc now admits that they cannot vouch for the stability or level of realization of their elected iskurus. Rather, they suggest that the new student must do their job for them and ascertain for himself or herself the devotional level of his or her prospective iskuru.
Thus a new student, who has no proper training or experience, is left with the tough task of wading through the muck of maya-iskcon politics to find out which iskuru, if any, is truly advanced in Krishna consciousness. Some of these poor students have had three or four or more iskurus who have been exposed for gross deviations or have left the mission all together. The gbc leaders, however, wash their hands of this tragedy, saying it is not their fault but is due to the student’s own bad karma. They say that these misguided bhaktas should just keep shopping around in iskcon for a truly advanced guru until they finally find one.
Srila Prabhupada Lives Forever--His Position is Unique
What the above-mentioned upstarts and gbc refuse to understand or admit is that Srila Prabhupada is still fully available for anyone willing to follow Him. He is not a temporary or physical guru—He is an eternal guru or a fully spiritual sad-guru. Nor is His mercy or ability to save sincere devotees limited in any way. Iskcon leaders have failed to understand that not everything the maha-bhagavata nitya-siddha shatavesha acarya does can be followed by His wannabe replacements. Rather such wannabe imitators degrade themselves and their followers by such imitation, as we have repeatedly seen in the maya-iskcon. (Not all pretenders are foolish enough to get caught red-handed in some sinful act but certainly all such imitators and their promoters are fallen souls.) Unfortunately, uneducated neophytes cannot understand the distinction between strict following and imitation, or between a liberated soul and pretenders.
The iskcon gbc has constantly refused to appreciate that Srila Prabhupada’s position is unique in the Krishna consciousness movement. The level of worship He receives as Founder-Acarya is unprecedented in the history of Gaudiya Vaisnavism and will likely remain so forever. As it is said about Srila Jiva Goswami: “Never before was there such a great scholar. Never again will there be such a great scholar.” Srila Jiva Gosvami’s position as a great Vaisnava scholar is unique. Similarly, the position of Srila Prabhupada, who singlehandedly spread the mission Krishna consciousness all over the world, is unique. Other than Lord Caitanya or Lord Nityananda, no one can take His place or assume His position. As Srila Prabhupada and the sastras have plainly stated, any so-called preacher who tries to imitate a maha-bhagavata will become degraded. This fact is an absolute. This fact has been verified repeatedly in the maya-iskcon and maya-gaudiya math branches.
Great Devotees Never Become Degraded
Below is a small sampling of quotes to counteract the poison these foolish upstarts expound in this video. It is the same poison expounded by the maya gbc. To explain the repeated gross fall downs of their elected iskurus, this deviant ecclesiastical body has even gone so far as to suggest that great devotees like Dhruva Maharaja, Bharata Maharaja, Arjuna, and even Lord Brahma sometimes fall down. Some of these rascals have said even Srila Prabhupada might one day fall down. What these fools fail to understand is that such rare stories of great devotees seeming to fall into illusion are examples meant not to justify the gross deviations of bogus pretenders but to illustrate the insurmountable nature of the Supreme Lord’s powerful material energy. These rare stories are meant to help all conditioned souls understand the potency of the material energy of the Supreme Lord, which no one can surpass without getting the full mercy of Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga. Daivi hy esha guna-mayi, mama maya duratyaya. (Bhagavad-gita 7.14)
Regarding Lord Brahma’s so-called deviation, Srila Prabhupada has explained that it was a different Lord Brahma from another maha-kalpa: “This extraordinary immortality on the part of Brahmā was heard to have occurred in some particular kalpa, but it could not have happened in the kalpa in which Brahmā heard directly from the Lord the four essential verses of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam because the Lord blessed Brahmā, after giving him lessons on the Bhāgavatam, that he would never be bewildered in any kalpa whatsoever.” (SB.3. 12. 28, Purport).
The Lord Brahma who is the original guru of the Brahma Sampradaya and who spoke Sri Brahma-Samhita never fell into illusion even for a moment. The other Lord Brahma who became momentarily bewildered was not acting as a bona fide Vaisnava Acarya in the eternal sampradaya.
Regarding the other devotees mentioned, they were also not acting as Vaisnava Acaryas, but as humble sadhaka bhaktas, although in fact they are great devotees whose mission is the guidance of all conditioned souls in the material world. Nor did they truly fall down. Dhruva Maharaja was acting, apparently overzealously for the moment, in his role as a ksatriya Emperor. He was chastising the demons who killed his pure devotee brother. Bharata Maharaja was acting, momentarily, as an overly compassionate, softhearted sadhu. Arjuna was acting as an overly compassionate man of religion, just to set the stage for Lord Krishna to speak Bhagavad-gita.
None of them fell down into sinful activities. It is patently impossible for a maha-bhagavata, particularly a bona fide Vaisnava Acarya, to fall into sinful life. There are no examples of this anywhere in the scriptures. Fools who propound such nonsense are severe offenders. Even if there is some reference in sastras regarding a great devotee becoming momentarily bewildered, such great devotees are not to be faulted. Srila Prabhupada explains that such apparent discrepancies in the behavior of great devotees are meant to show ordinary devotees the strength of the illusory energy of the Supreme Lord. (See the references and appendix sections below.)
Fools who suggest that great devotees might one day fall down have understood little, if anything, of the actual science of Guru-tattva. They have apparently understood nothing of the exalted status of all Gaudiya Vaisnava Acaryas. They have understood little, if anything, regarding the unique position of Srila Prabhupada.
Guru-tattva 101 References:
“There is no possibility that a first-class devotee will fall down…” (Cc. Madhya, 22.71, Purport.)
“A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord…” (Bhagavad-gita, 4.42, Purport.)
“A first-class devotee never deviates from the principles of higher authority…” (Nectar of Devotion, Chapter 3.)
“Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he is ordered by his guru. That’s all. Otherwise no one can become guru.” (Conv. Oct.28, 1975, Nairobi.)
Sometimes devotees argue that Lord Caitanya issued a blanket order for all devotees to initiate their own disciples. This idea was rejected by Srila Prabhupada in several statements, such as the one above. Similarly, this idea was flatly rejected by Sri Gadadhara Pandita. When He was asked by Vallabha Bhatta (Vallabha Acarya) for initiation, Sri Gadadhara refused, saying that He had no order to initiate His own disciples.
“Vallabha Bhaṭṭa wanted to be initiated by Gadādhara Paṇḍita, but Gadādhara Paṇḍita refused, saying, ‘The work of acting as a spiritual master is not possible for me. I am completely dependent. My Lord is Gauracandra, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. I cannot do anything independently, without His order.’” (Cc. Antya 7.150. 151)
“When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.” (Cc. Madhya, 24.330, Purport, citing Padma Purana.)
“They did even consider with common sense—that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acarya, why he did not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insisted upon it. The declared some unfit person to become acarya. And then another—‘Acarya!’ Another—‘Acarya!’ So better to remain a foolish (simple) person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaja. That is perfection. And as soon as he (the upstart) learns that Guru Maharaja is dead, ‘Now I am so advanced that I can kill my guru and I become guru.’ Then he’s finished.” (Conv. Aug. 16, 1976, Bombay)
“If everyone just initiates, then there will only be contradictory results. As long as it goes on there will only be failure.” (From Srila Prabhupada’s poem, Phalguna Krishna Pancami, 1961.)
When specifically asked how initiations would be continued after Srila Prabhupada was no longer with us, He immediately replied: “I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas. Ritvik. Yes.” (Conv. May 28, 1977, Vrindaban, India.)
“These initiations-- I have deputed my disciples. Is it clear or not?” (Conv. Oct. 18, 1977)
When asked if He could accept offerings through His picture or murti, as Lord Krishna does, Srila Prabhupada immediately replied: “Yes. Sakshad-dharitena samasta-sastrair. The guru in nondifferent than Krishna.” (Conv. Oct. 27,1975, Nairobi.)
“Like Krishna can be present simultaneously in millions of places, similarly the spiritual master also can be present wherever the disciple wants.” (Letter, May 28, 1968.)
“As soon as a foolish disciple tries to overtake his spiritual master and becomes ambitious to occupy his post, he immediately falls down.” (SB. 5.12.14, Purport.)
“However, one should not imitate the behavior of an advanced devotee or mahā-bhāgavata without being self-realized, for by such imitation one will eventually become degraded.” (Nectar of Instruction, Verse Five, Purport)
“One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking, ‘I am a first-class devotee.’ Such thinking should be avoided. It best not to accept any disciples.” (Cc.Madhya, 7.130, Purport.)
“Although a physical body is not present, the vibration should be accepted as the presence of the spiritual master. Vibration—what we have heard from the spiritual master—that is living.” (Lecture, Jan. 13,1969, LA, CA)
“The spiritual master is not the question of [‘living’]… The spiritual master is eternal—the spiritual master is eternal.” (Lecture, Oct. 2, 1968, Seattle, WA)
“I will never die. I shall live from my books, and you will utilize.” (Interview, July 16, 1975, Berkeley, CA)
“Only Lord Caitanya can take my place. He will take care of the movement.” (Conv. Nov. 7, 1977, Vrindaban, India)
When clearly asked whether He would name a successor, Srila Prabhupada replied:
“My success is always there. Yes. Just like the sun is always there. It may come before your vision or not—the sun is there. But if you are fortunate, you come before the sun. Otherwise, you remain in darkness. The sun is open to everyone.” (Conv. Feb.12,1975, Mexico City.)
[Please study the more complete renderings of the above quotes in the book Srila Prabhupada Siddhanta, or see their original sources. Sri Caitanya-caritamrita, particularly the Adi-lila section, provides a full understanding regarding the science of Guru-tattva.]
Related articles on this topic (posted on this website):
“The Unique Acarya”
“Jagat Guru for the Golden Age”
“Sri Guru Nama-Hatta or ‘Guru-hatta’ Hati-mata?”
“On My Order”
“Idol Worship in Iskcon?”
“Our Living Guru”
Srila Prabhupada succinctly explains the position of Lord Brahma:
“Regarding your question about Lord Siva and Thakura Haridasa, and their different response to sex agitation: This does not mean that Lord Siva has become degraded from the devotional platform. A devotee even if he is sometimes found that he is attracted by sex life, that does not mean he is degraded. That is by chance. Because Lord Siva is grhastha, so by his past habits if he appeared to have been attracted by sex life, that does not mean he has been degraded from his position. You should never think of any devotee like that. There are many other stories also, but such apparent falling is without any influence to very very advanced devotees. A neophyte should always be careful.
“ One should not discuss about such great devotees' apparent fall-down. Just like one should not discuss about the sun who evaporates urine from the earth; it is possible for the sun to do it, and still remain the sun, but for ordinary man if he lives in a filthy place he will be infected. So Lord Siva or Lord Brahma, they are highly elevated devotees, and we should not try to criticize about their behavior even though it appears against the rules. These things are very nicely explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam in course of discussion between Maharaja Pariksit and Sukadeva Goswami, in the 10th Canto.
“Your next question: In regard to Kardama Muni, how can a pure devotee become passionate for any amount of agitation? That is not passion. One should not be impotent also. One should have full potency, to beget children, but such sex life should be under his full control. Passion is a different thing. Passion makes one blind. And a devotee is full controller; that is the difference. The example is given of the tortoise; as soon as he likes he discloses his senses, and when he likes he pulls them within. That is the position of a pure devotee. He can wind up the senses, whenever he likes and he can exhibit the senses whenever he likes. On the whole, the senses are under his control. He is not under the control of the senses as are the ordinary persons. That is the meaning of Goswami. A Goswami does not mean he is to become impotent; and can have no children; but he can use it when he likes. They are never the victim of passion.
“Sense gratification means unlawful sex life. Sex life is not sense gratification . . . unlawful sex life is sense gratification. If there is no need of sex life and one uses sex life anyway, that is sense gratification. But when there is need of sex life, that is not sense gratification. Never think that the devotee is impotent and is obliged to become free from sex life. If required they can take to sex life 1000 times. Otherwise, if there is no need for it, they have no use for it. Kardama Muni married a wife. Why he shall not give her children? The wife begged that she must have some children. So he must satisfy the wife and give her some children. That is the duty of husband. But he left his wife as soon as the son was grown up. Not that he used to live with the wife for all the days.”
So far Lord Brahma and his attraction for his daughter; this illustration should be taken by conditioned souls, that even a person like Brahma is sometimes victimized, how much careful we should be. Not that even Brahma was enticed, so we shall become enticed more and more. This is an example set for us by great devotees. To become agitated is not very unusual thing, but to control it, that is the real thing.
1969 Correspondence : March : Letter to: Himavati -- Hawaii 23 March, 1969
Srila Prabhupada Rejects Those Who Suggest Vaisnava Acaryas Might Not Be Pure Devotees:
Disciple: I was recently told by one devotee that the ācāryadoes not have to be a pure devotee.
Srila Prabhupāda: What?
Disciple: That the ācāryadoes not have to be a pure devotee.
Srila Prabhupāda: Who is that rascal?
Disciple: Well, he said it.
Srila Prabhupāda: Who said? Who is that rascal? [Who said,]”The ācārya does not require to be a pure devotee?”
Disciple: He said it. Nitāi said it. He said it in this context. He said that Lord Brahma is the ācārya in the Brahma-sampradāya, but yet he is sometimes afflicted by passion. So therefore he is saying that it appears that the ācārya does not have to be a pure devotee. So it does not seem right.
Srila Prabhupāda: So who is that rascal? I want to know who has said.
Disciple: Nitāi. Nitāi dāsa.
Disciple 2: Nitāi said that?
Srila Prabhupāda: Who is Nitāi dāsa?
Disciple 2: Our Nitāi.
Srila Prabhupāda: Oh, our Nitāi? Oh.
Disciple: He said he couldn't understand it, but he thought, he said that he thought...
Srila Prabhupāda: He manufactured his idea. Therefore he's a rascal. Therefore he's a rascal. Nitāi has become an authority?
Disciple: No, actually he said that he thought...
Srila Prabhupāda: He thought something rascaldom, and he is expressing that. Therefore he is more rascal. These things are going on. As soon as he reads some books, he becomes an ācārya, whatever rascal he may be.
Disciple: So there's no doubt that Lord Brahma is a pure devotee?
Srila Prabhupāda: Whatever he may be, he is ācārya. So you... Then Krishna is also passionate. Krishna is also passionate. Krishna danced with so many gopīs; therefore He is passionate. They... These things are to be seen in this way, that "Such exalted person, he sometimes become passionate, so how much we shall be careful." This is the instruction. Then we petty things, petty persons, how much we shall be careful. It is not that "Ācāryahas become passionate, therefore I shall become passionate. I am strict followers of ācārya." These rascals say.
Disciple 3: So Lord Brahma's being attracted to his daughter, that is just as an example...
Srila Prabhupāda: So why you discuss this? Therefore you shall be attracted with your daughter, mother? Do you think so, like that?
Indian man: In this world, this is our disease. This is our disease.
Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. That disease... Brahma... Lord Śiva also, he was attracted to the Mohinī. So they are īśvara. They are controllers. So the instruction is that even such personalities may be sexually attracted, so how much we shall remain careful. This is the instruction. [break] ...like the other rascal. Who was saying that "Krishna was killed by a hunter; therefore hunter is greater than Krishna.”
--Conversations: Morning Walk , December 10, 1975, Vrndavana.
Srila Prabhupada explains the so-called bewilderement of Lord Brahma
vācaṁ duhitaraṁ tanvīṁ
svayambhūr haratīṁ manaḥ
akāmāṁ cakame kṣattaḥ
sa-kāma iti naḥ śrutam
O Vidura, we have heard that Brahmā had a daughter named Vāk who was born from his body and who attracted his mind toward sex, although she was not sexually inclined towards him.
Balavān indriya-grāmo vidvāṁsam api karṣati (Bhāg. 9.19.17). It is said that the senses are so mad and strong that they can bewilder even the most sensible and learned man. Therefore it is advised that one should not indulge in living alone even with one’s mother, sister or daughter. Vidvāṁsam api karṣati means that even the most learned also become victims of the sensuous urge. Maitreya hesitated to state this anomaly on the part of Brahmā, who was sexually inclined to his own daughter, but still he mentioned it because sometimes it so happens, and the living example is Brahmā himself, although he is the primeval living being and the most learned within the whole universe. If Brahmā could be a victim of the sexual urge, then what of others, who are prone to so many mundane frailties? This extraordinary immortality on the part of Brahmā was heard to have occurred in some particular kalpa, but it could not have happened in the kalpa in which Brahmā heard directly from the Lord the four essential verses of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam because the Lord blessed Brahmā, after giving him lessons on the Bhāgavatam, that he would never be bewildered in any kalpa whatsoever. This indicates that before the hearing of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam he might have fallen a victim to such sensuality, but after hearing Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam directly from the Lord, there was no possibility of such failures.
Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 3 Creation of the Kumaras and Others : SB 3.12.28