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the shape of Varaha saved it. So Krsna will save you. Others may
disturb you, put you into the difficulty, but Krsna will save you. Be
assured. Don't be disappointed.
Krsna says, kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati. "My dear
Kaunteya, you can declare to the world that anyone who is My
devotee..." Devotee means pure devotee, anyabhilasita-sunyam, without
any other desires. Devotee means he wants to serve Krsna, that's all.
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Prabhupada: So the Lord sometimes appears as... Whenever the Lord
takes the incarnation, He appears to be like ordinary human being. So
in this incarnation, Nara-narayana, They undertook severe penances to
teach us. So what was the purpose of such severe penance? For sense
controlling. The modern civilization is to give freedom to sense
satisfaction, because they cannot control. Just like you are riding on
a horse, but the horse is not under your control, then you say, "Let
it go to hell, never mind." This is the position. Because they cannot
control the senses, they have taken this philosophy that liberating
sense gratification is the ultimate goal of life. And the result is
that they are going to hell.
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So actually the modern men, without being properly civilized,
without being properly educated, they are exactly like dogs, hogs,
camels ... asses. We take it like that, they are no better than. So
what is the votes of them? What will they choose? They will choose
another big camel or big cat or big dog, that's all, because he
doesn't know. If ... are human being, you know who is another human
being. But if you are dog, camel and ass, how can you understand who
is a human being? Therefore people sometimes misunderstand ... the
best persons in the world. They are disseminating the message of God,
making people men of character. No illicit sex, no gambling, that is
character. They are becoming saintly person,...
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The scientists, they are very much busy. Just this morning our
scientist, Svarupa Damodara, was speaking about an article: the
scientists are very much busy that the source of supply is being
decreased. Just like petroleum. Petroleum, gas, that is diminishing.
Now, whole modern materialistic civilization is depending on the
motorcars and aeroplanes, transportation. So if the petroleum supply
is stopped, then what will be the condition of the society? Formerly
there was no need of going to see a friend thirty miles away, because
every friend was within the village. Now, because we have got
motorcar, we create friendship with a man who lives fifty miles away.
We accept a job fifty miles away. In Hawaii our Gaurasundara was going
to attend office fifty miles off. By fifty miles off... In big, big
cities like New York, Calcutta, we have seen people are coming to
attend their office from hundred miles off. I have seen also in
aeroplane there are many people... I have seen in England. Many
workers or gentlemen, they are coming from Glasgow to London for
working, by aeroplane.
So we have created a civilization that... We have created a
facility for transport by motorcar or by aeroplane, but side by side,
we have created another difficulty, that a man has to go to his work
three hundred miles away. Side by side. Formerly, a man used to work
on his field, a few steps from his house. Now we have created facility
of transport; therefore we have to go to work three hundred miles away
from home. This is the position. But they have no brain. They're
thinking they're advancing. (chuckles) Advancing in this way, that
"For my livelihood I have to go three hundred miles, three hours at
least, not less than three hours. Or six hours I have to spoil. Then I
can go to my office. Then I work there whole day, and again come,
again six hours. Then I come at night to sleep along with my family
for three hours." Yes. This is our facility. Yes.
One... There is a story. Not story, it is a fact. One day, one
grown-up child was asking his mother, "Who is this gentleman?" The
father was there. So the mother said, "He is your father, my dear
child." So he did not see his father until he grew three years or four
years old. Because when he was child, the father was rising early in
the morning. At that time, child was sleeping. And he was going to
office, and when he comes back, the child was sleeping. So unless the
child grew four years old, he could not see his father. Is it not the
position of this? It is a story or an instruction, because the man,
the gentleman, was going office early in the morning...
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sannyasa. So Lord Rsabhadeva planned in such a way to teach His
sons--He had one hundred sons--that it will be honored by all the
asramas. Out of His one hundred sons, nine became sannyasi. Nava
Yogendra, very highly elevated spiritually, nine sons. And eighty-one
sons... Out of hundred, nine gone, ninety-one sons? So out of them,
eleven became ksatriyas, and others became brahmanas, like that. So
this proves that not that by birth one becomes brahmana or ksatriya or
vaisya or sudra, but it is by different qualification. Otherwise how
Rsabhadeva's son... He was ksatriya, supposed to be ksatriya. So His
sons are also ksatriya. How they became brahmana? No. That was the
Vedic culture. Janmana jayate sudrah. As soon as one is born, he is
accepted as sudra. Neither brahmana nor ksatriya nor... Raw. By
training, either he becomes a brahmana or a ksatriya….
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men. All literatures, all Vedic literatures, they are especially meant
for instruction to the men. Woman is to follow the husband. That's
all. The husband will give instruction to the wife. There is no such
thing as the girl should go to school to take brahmacari-asrama or go
to spiritual master to take instruction. That is not Vedic system.
Vedic system is a man is fully instructed, and woman, girl, must be
married to a man. Even the man may have many wives, polygamy, still,
every woman should be married. And she would get instruction from the
husband. This is Vedic system. Woman is not allowed to go to school,
college, or to the spiritual master. But husband and wife, they can be
initiated. That is Vedic system.
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Now we have to accept knowledge from Vedas, Vedic knowledge, not
this rascal's knowledge. Rascal knowledge is that "Yes," as soon as he
comes to the imperfect point, "yes, we are trying." You are trying.
What is this trying? Trying means that your knowledge is imperfect.
And another rascal will come, he will say, "Now here is the perfect."
And ten years after, another rascal will come," No, this is not
perfect. This is perfect." This is going on. This is called scientific
advancement. This is... Advancement means... But we don't change our
Vedic knowledge. We do not say, "Now, Krsna, five thousand years ago,
said like this. Now we are advanced. We change this line." Of course,
others are doing. In the scriptures... Just like the Christians, they
are changing the words. But you cannot do that. Then where is the
authority? If you change the word of the scripture, then where is the
authority of the scripture? Just like in lawbooks, there is some law
made already. Whimsically you cannot, I mean to say, erase the words
and put something that "It should be changed like this." That will not
be accepted. Law, if there is change... Actually, there is no change.
There cannot be change. Real law means there is no change. Just like
day and night, it is coming. The fortnight, the dark period and the
light period, it is coming for millions and millions and time
immemorial. The same law is going, going on. You cannot change. So as
soon as you change, that means it is imperfect. You change.
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... devaya tasmai namah. Devaya, that Supreme Lord, we simply offer
our respectful obeisances. It is not possible to know perfectly what
is the potency and energy of God. The atheists, they do not know at
all. But theists, devotees, they know, but that is not complete. Even
Krsna does not know how much powerful He is. That is called unlimited…
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than the biggest. Nobody can claim that "I am everything." No. That is
not possible. So they were standing on the... Without standing, how
they are churning? But the sea water is up to the knees. How they can
stand? So the seven mile sea water is up to their knees. Your, an ant,
even seven inches ... seven feet is sufficient water. Similarly,
others, even seven miles is not sufficient. This is the order of...
Don't think that these are all stories. Surasuranam mathnatam. "How
they can stand on the ocean? How they can churn? Oh, these are all
stories." They are not stories. It may ... like if you speak to an ant
or what is called, insect... There are many insects. They take their
birth... We have seen it. In India we see. In this season there are
insects. They are called divali-poka, insect divali. Just in the
evening they are born. And they flock together before a light, (sound
imitation:) bawnh, bawnh, bawnh, bawnh, like that. And throughout the
whole night they will do, and at the end of the night, in the morning,
you will see, they are, in heap, they are lying dead. So their life,
the duration of life is that night. within that night they take their
birth, they grow, they beget children, family, and defend, eat, mate.
Everything is complete within the night. And at the end of the night,
it is finished. So similarly, if to these flies, if you say, "Oh, we
... human being. This is only one night. And such... There is another
day also of the same period. Then together, day and night, such thirty
day and night makes their month. And such 12 months make their year.
And such hundred years they live." So how the fly will understand?
Similarly, we cannot understand. When the duration of life of Brahma
is described, we think it is story. Similarly, they will think also
story. Nothing is story. In the Vedic literatures all informations are
there. Their relative life, big and small, smaller than the smallest,
bigger than the biggest. Don't think that these description in the
Vedas, they are stories. They are not stories. They are facts. But we
cannot accommodate ... am like this." Just like Arjuna saw Krsna. He
understood God. So if we take the position of Arjuna, submissive...
Sisyas te 'ham sadhi mam prapannam, surrender, then God, by
kindness,... will reveal to you. Otherwise by your so-called
calculation, you cannot understand what is the greatest and what is
the smallest. But there are things smaller than the smallest and the
greater than the greatest. That's all right. Thank you. (break)
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Now Canakya Pandita says, "In the family there are enemies." How?
Rna-karta pita satruh. Canakya Pandita said, "A father who is a great
debtor, he is enemy." Because the son inherits the money of the
father, similarly, the law is that if the father dies a debtor, the
son becomes responsible to pay the debts. That is the law,
Manu-samhita. I do not know what is the law here. I don't think the
son is responsible for paying the debts of father, but in India that
is the law. One big barrister, Mr. C. R. Das, his father died
insolvent, making debts. So when he became very rich, he called all
the creditors and paid five to five, that "My father was debtor. You
take this money." That is obligation. Therefore Canakya Pandita says,
"The father who dies a debtor, he is an enemy." Rna-karta pita satruh.
Rna means debts. Karta means one who has committed so many debts and
dies. A father... Instead of enjoying father's property, he has to pay
the father's debts. So therefore that father is called enemy.
Rna-karta pita satrur mata satrur vyabhicarini. "And mother, if she
marries for the second time, she is enemy." Rna-karta pita satrur mata
satrur vyabhicarini, rupavati bharyah satruh. "And very beautiful
wife, she is enemy." And putrah satrur apanditah. "And if the son is a
fool, rascal, he is enemy." Four kinds of enemy in the family.
So I think I have spoken about my own life. You know that I was a
married man. So after being married, I did not like my wife.
(laughter) Somehow or other, I did not like. I must say she is very
faithful, very everything... Everyone praised. But I did not like,
somehow or other. So I was preparing for next marriage. Next marriage.
Because in India, at that time it was allowed, a man can marry more
than one wife. Now the law is there. So my father, he was a saintly
person. So he called me one day and said, "My dear boy, you are trying
to marry again. I request you don't do that. You do not like your
wife. That is a great fortune for you." (laughter) So I gave up that
idea of marrying. Yes. So now I am realizing my father's blessing,
yes, that if I would have been too much attached to my wife, then I
could not have come to this position. That's a fact. So by ethical
point of view, from spiritual point of view, to become too much
attached to wife is an impediment for spiritual advancement.
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Woman, they are generally equipped with the qualities of passion
and ignorance. And men also may be, but man can be elevated to the
platform of goodness. Woman cannot be. Woman cannot be. Therefore if
the husband is nice and the woman follows, woman becomes faithful and
chaste to the husband, then their both life becomes successful. There
are ... qualities of nature: sattva, rajas, tamas. So rajas, tamas
generally, that is the quality of woman. And man can become to the
platform of goodness. Therefore initiation, brahminical symbolic
representation is given to the man, not to the woman. This is the
theory. Therefore the combination should be that the husband should be
first-class devotee, Krsna conscious, and woman should be, woman
should be devoted to the husband, faithful, so that she would help the
husband to ... life is successful. Otherwise, if the husband simply
becomes captivated by the charming beauty of woman and engages himself
in the sex life, then his life is lost, and the woman, they are less
intelligent, unless they are guided by proper husband, her life is
also ... they are asura. So every husband should be a sura. Sura
means devotee. And every woman should be religious. Religious means to
become chaste, faithful to the husband. And the husband should become a devotee ...
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We are changing. Why one is suffering? He is suffering for
indulging in sense gratification. We are educating people that "You
enjoy your senses through Krsna. Through Krsna. You like to dance?
Yes. You dance through Krsna. You want to eat nice? You eat through
Krsna. You want to sing? You sing through Krsna. You want to paint?
You paint through Krsna." This is our education. Not directly for my
sense gratification. ….
The brahmana had to pay no tax. Only ksatriyas, they were tax
ollector. And sudra also, they had no property; therefore there was
o tax. Only the vaisya class, the productive class, they had to pay
ax. And that tax also was very simple. There was no encroachment. You
imply give one fourth of your profit to the government. That's all.
o more tax. Sales tax, this tax, income tax, excise tax, this
ax--simply tax, tax, tax. No. Not like that. Whatever he has got
rofit. "Got" means whatever profit he has made... If he has no
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So out of these four, two classes, those who are in distress, or
those who are in want of money, as soon as they get money, they forget
God. Or as soon as their distress is over, they forget God. But these
two classes, inquisitive and wise, they continue to search out what is
God. So out of these two classes, when one understands what is God, he
is perfect. Bahunam. That becomes possible after many,...
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lazy. But because we are working for Krsna, there is happiness. Nobody
is paid here a single farthing. Rather, he brings money. But still, he
is happy. But the karmis, they are getting money, salary; still, they
are not happy. Why? This is practical. Here we sometimes chastise that
"You cannot live with us. Go out." But he cannot. Unless there is
happiness, why he is sticking to this Krsna consciousness? Those who
are going back, again coming. They could not find any happiness.
Again, they say... Here, the people say, "These are foolish people,
working under some idea." But they are happy. Must be happy. But they
do not know this. Na te viduh svartha-gatim hi visnum. They do not
know how happiness can be attained.
Happiness can be attained when you come to God--because you are
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Therefore Lord Buddha appeared. These rascals... Sammohaya
sura-dvisam. Sura-dvisam means rascals, atheists. "There is no God."
In Buddha religion they don't believe in God. "Yes. There is no soul.
There is no God." That is Buddhist theory. Sunyavadi. "Everything
void. Make void." Buddha philosophy is that "These bodily pains and
pleasure are due to the combination of matter." This body, this gross
body, or the subtle body, is made of physical matters: earth, water,
air, fire, and ether, and mind, intelligence, ego. These are gross and
subtle matters. So Buddha philosophy is that "Due to the combination
of this matter, we are feeling pains and pleasure. So everyone is
trying to eradicate all kinds of pains. That is the struggle for
existence. So these pains will be automatically mitigated if you break
this combination." That is Buddha... Nirvana. That is called nirvana.
Break. Just like this house is combination of several material thing.
Now, when it is broken... You have seen, so many houses have been
dismantled. There is no more house. And as soon as there is no more
house, there is no question of living or feeling pains or pleasure.
That is Buddha philosophy.
The Sankara philosophy is "No, simply breaking is not the solution.
There is soul within this." Dehino 'smi yatha dehe. Sankara gives him
that "Wherefrom this living cognizance come? There is soul." That is
Sankara philosophy. But he is nirvisesa-vadi, nirakara. That
consciousness has no form, he says. Then farther development is this
Vaisnava philosophy, that as soon as there is consciousness, that is a
person. These are the gradual development. Actually, they are not
contradictory. But according to the time, circumstances, different
types of philosophies are there. Just like Jesus Christ. He is
advising, "Thou shalt not killing." That means the people were so much
accustomed to kill. Very first-class gentlemen. Simply wanted to kill.
So what advice can be given there? First is that "Thou shalt not
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. So you cannot get pure thing. The whole atmosphere is so polluted. Therefore here the
so-called goodness also is the cause of bondage. "Now I have become a
Vaisnava. I have become now learned." And God is so clever that "Now
you fight with this passion and ignorance, if you are so good." And he
fails, falls a victim. You see? So by pure devotional service only,
you can remain in pure goodness. Otherwise it will be adulterated.
Pure devotional service.
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So if he falls down or contacts the mode of goodness, that is
considered the fire spark falling on dry grass. Dry grass means...
Goodness means one who is situated almost on the spiritual platform.
Just like the brahminical qualification: truthfulness, controlling the
senses, controlling the mind, simplicity, full of knowledge, practical
application of knowledge in life, and completely faith in God. That is
brahminical qualification. Satyam samo damas titiksa arjavam, jnanam
vijnanam astikyam brahma-karma svabhava-jam. And passion means strong
desire to enjoy this material world. Generally, the kings, the
politicians, they are very much passionate to encroach upon other's
property, other nations, like that. And ignorance means they are
neither passionate nor good. "All right, let me eat something and
sleep." That's all. That is ignorance. They are satisfied if they get
good opportunity for sleeping. That's all. That is ignorance.
So these three qualities are there within this material world. And
one has to transcend these three qualities. And that can be done...
Anyone can do that. Krsna does not say that only the person who is in
goodness, who has the brahminical platform, he can be engaged.
Actually, he can be engaged, not in the passion. But if you be engaged
in devotional service, then immediately you transcend all the
qualities. You become more than brahmana--Vaisnava. Vaisnava means he
is transcendental to the brahminical qualities also. But if you do not
maintain even brahminical qualities, then where you are a Vaisnava?
So to become a Vaisnava is not so easy thing, because it is
transcendental to the brahminical quality. But it is very easy. Lord
Caitanya has made it easy, provided you stick to the principles. If
you simply chant regularly Hare Krsna... This is the special facility
for the people in this age. You can remain steady in transcendental
position. Ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam. As soon
as you remain in the offenseless chanting platform, immediately you
become transcendental to these material qualities. Very simple. You
don't require to study Vedanta. The Vedanta is there. It reveals,
The Vedanta philosophy will reveal automatically. You haven't got to
study. But provided you have got unflinching faith in God and
spiritual master, all this Vedanta knowledge will be revealed within
you. Yasya deve para bhaktir yatha deve tatha gurau.
Guru-krsna-krpaya. Caitanya-caritamrta it is said that you can make
advancement in spiritual life by the mercy of Krsna and guru. You
don't try to overlap guru and get Krsna's mercy immediately. That is
not possible. That is not possible. You have to go through the proper
channel. Anyone who is thinking that "I shall make spiritual
advancement without guru," he is wrongly thinking. It is not possible.
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universe. So in each and every universe there are the natha, the
controller. Natha means controller. The Brahma, Lord Brahma. So just
imagine, through the inhaling and exhaling of Maha-Visnu in the Causal
Ocean, so many universes are coming out. And each and every universe
there are so many planets, and it requires to preach the glories of
the Lord. So just imagine how many incarnations are required to
enlighten the people in each and every universe. As we are trying to
forget Krsna, or God... We are all sons of God. But God cannot forget
us, because we are sons. God is trying to reclaim us. He is coming.
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So these two brothers were creating disturbance in the, on the
street, and there was a crowd. Lord Nityananda saw the crowd and
inquired from persons, "What is this crowd?" Lord Nityananda and
Haridasa Thakura were out for preaching. So people informed that
"There are two brothers, most sinful, and they are creating
disturbance. So there is crowd." So immediately Nityananda Prabhu
said, "Why not deliver these two brothers immediately? Then it will be
a great credit for Caitanya Mahaprabhu." This is preacher. He is
thinking the credit of the master, not for himself. He risks his life.
And the Jagai-Madhai brothers hurt Him on the head by throwing a
stone. So blood also came out, but still, they said "All right, it is
all right. You have hurt Me. Blood is oozing out. That doesn't matter.
You chant Hare Krsna." That is preaching. Not that I remain safety and
chanting Hare Krsna. No. We have to go out, meet the Jagai Madhai.
That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission. Because the world is full of
71) ►721002SB.LA Lectures
... old. Every... According to Vedic system, any family--brahmana,
ksatriya, vaisya, those who are higher caste--they must give at least
seven generations account. Otherwise he is not a respectable family.
Seven generations. His father, his father, his father, his father, his
father, like that. When there is ...
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expansion. In this way, the first expansion is called prakasa. Just
like first expansion is Baladeva, from Krsna. These things are
described in Teachings of Lord Caitanya. You must read. The first
expansion is Baladeva. The next expansion is from Baladeva,
Sankarsana. From Sankarsana, Vasudeva, Aniruddha, Pradyumna, like
that. So the first expansion is called prakasa. Then there are
divisions: prabhava, vaibhava... In this way, as you have learned from
previous verses, many thousands of expansions. We are also expansion,
but we are separated expansion, living entities. Svamsa-vibhinnamsa.
Svamsa. Just like this my hand is my part and parcel of my body,
direct expansion. And from the hands there are so many hairs. They are
also from the hand. Just as my head. And from the head there are so
many hairs. So they are also expansion. But they are separated
expansion. I can cut my hair, but I cannot cut my throat.
So there are expansions, svamsa, personal expansion, and separated
expansion. The personal expansions are called visnu-tattva.
Baladeva... Just like Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, His personal expansion
is Nityananda Prabhu and Advaita Prabhu. And Srivasadi they are
separated expansion. Although they are associates, but Srivasa,
jiva-tattva; and Nityananda Prabhu and Advaita Prabhu, visnu-tattva.
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So now, according to this formula, idam hi visvam bhagavan... Then
forgetfulness of Bhagavan. Forgetfulness of relationship with
Bhagavan, Krsna, is materialism. The... Actually, everything is
Bhagavan, but when we forget the relationship of this world and
Bhagavan, Krsna, that is materialism. Just like we are offering some
foodstuff to Krsna. So Krsna is eating matter? No. Krsna cannot eat
matter. He is spirit. Then how we are offering the same rice and dal
to Krsna which is also being cooked in the hotel? The thing is that
here is the sense that "This rice or dal is given by Krsna." There is
remembrance of Krsna. Therefore it is spiritual. And there, in the
hotel, they do not know Krsna. Therefore it is matter. That is the
difference between matter and spirit. Actually, everything is
emanation from Krsna, so there cannot be anything matter. Idam hi
visvam bhagavan. But the forgetfulness... The material world is...
What is this material world? The material world is everyone is
forgetting Krsna. Their only business is to forget Krsna. Therefore it
is material. But if Krsna consciousness is there, the mat..., no more
Just like this temple. This temple is spiritual, Vaikuntha. It is
not Los Angeles. Don't think like that. It is Vaikuntha. Because here
every second the remembrance of Krsna is there. Therefore it is not
Los Angeles. Or anyone who remembers Krsna always, twenty-four hours,
he is living in Vaikuntha. He is not in the kingdom of maya. That is
required. Satatam cintayanto mam: "Always thinking of Me." In the
Bhagavad-gita you will find, satatam cintayanto mam. So if you keep
this practice, always thinking of Krsna, then you are not in the
material world. You are always in the spiritual world. For practical
example: just like there are foreign embassies in foreign countries.
So long they are within the embassy, they are not living in the
foreign country. That is the law. Suppose I belong to some foreign
embassy. So I have done something criminal. So the American government
cannot arrest me from the embassy. When I come out, he can arrest. So
ships also, when they are on the port of a foreign country, so on the
ship also the foreign police force cannot arrest anyone. These are the
So if it is possible in ordinary dealings, so why not possible
spiritually? And that's a fact. If you keep always yourself in Krsna
consciousness, you do not belong to this material world. Then actually
you are part and parcel of Krsna, your spiritual identity.
Thank you very much. (end)
74) ►721004SB.LA Lectures
So each candle is equal to another
candle. So far candlepower light is concerned, there is no difference
The first candle and the second candle, although second candle is lit
up from the first candle, but the power of light is the same, either
in the first candle or in the second candle. Similarly, do not think
that because Krsna is the original candle and the next candle is
Balarama, or Rama, that does not mean Balarama, or Rama, is less
powerful than Krsna. They are equally powerful. Diparcir eva hi
dasantaram abhyupetya dipayate vivrta-hetu-samana-dharma. There is no
75) ►690523SB.NV Lectures
... Not in Second Avenue. When I first started in 72nd Street. So she
had a son. So I asked, "Why don't you get your son married?" "Oh, if
he can maintain a wife, I have no objection." Just to maintain a wife
is a great job in this age. Daksyam kutumba-bharanam. And still we are
very much proud that we are advancing. Even a bird maintains a wife,
even a beast maintains wife. And human being hesitates to maintain a
wife? You see? And they are advanced in civilization? Hm? It is a very
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paritusyati(?). One who is... "You have compiled so many books on this
concept of life, that the living entities are, some of them are
considering that 'I am this body,' and some of them are considering 'I
am this mind,' and some of them are considering 'I am this
intelligence,' but he is none of them. He's above this. He's
transcendental." Unless he comes to that position, there is no
question of paritosa, or satisfaction.
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So we have to search out a mahatma, a person who is simply a surrendered soul to Krsna, Vasudeva,
and we have to surrender unto him. This is called disciplic
succession. Then our problems will be solved. Otherwise, even a
personality like Vyasadeva, he has problems. Even a personality like
Arjuna, he has problems. So antas-caro vayur ivatma-saksi paravare
brahmani dharmato vrataih. …
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And increasing also. Brahman is not limited. Just like we have got
some idea, say, the sky, the greatest. But this is also increasing.
According to astronomical calculation, the planets and the universe,
they can increase. So the Absolute Truth, that is eternally
increasing. There is no comparison of Brahman's increasement and
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It is a great science. It is not a bluff, that anybody can
manufacture something spiritual. No. It is a great science. One has to
study the science from bona fide spiritual master. Study means... It
does not mean that one has to be very highly qualified in academic
education. Spiritual science does not depend on one's academic
education. You'll be surprised to know that my grand-spiritual master,
my spiritual master's spiritual master, he was illiterate. And my
spiritual master was the learned, greatest learned scholar of his age.
Now, how he became the disciple of an illiterate man? So, but that
Gaura Kisora dasa Babaji Maharaja... His name was Gaura Kisora dasa
Babaji Maharaja, my spiritual master's spiritual master, my
grand-spiritual master. So he was illiterate, but when you asked him
some question, some intricate question of spiritual significance,
he'll answer you immediately very nicely. That is realization.
Now, how this realization takes place? Not by academic education,
but by sincerity. If one is very sincere, that he wants to know what
is spiritual science, what is God, what is self, what is Superself,
what is this world, what is spiritual world--there are so many
questions. Unfortunately, we are not inquisitive. And one who is not
inquisitive, for him there is no need of accepting a spiritual master..
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So Vyasadeva says that "You know that oldest Supreme Personality,
purana-purusah. Therefore you can answer." Indirectly, one who goes
deeper and deeper into his spiritual understanding... The first
understanding is the impersonal Brahman. The next spiritual
understanding is Paramatma, or the Supersoul. The Paramatma, or
Supersoul, means God is staying, He's situated with you, within your
heart, He is Paramatma. That is another feature. Isvarah
sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese arjuna tisthati. The Supreme Personality of
Godhead is existing, is sitting with you. This is confirmed by the
Upanisads and other Vedic literatures. But the...
Just like the same example. The sunshine and the sun planet and the
presiding deity, the sun-god Vivasvan. Similarly, Absolute Truth is
understood in three phases. The first understanding is impersonal
Brahman, light. The second understanding is to know Him by meditation
within your heart. Those who are meditators, they are expected to see
the Supersoul within himself. Unless he can see the Supersoul within
himself, his meditation or samadhi is imperfect or it is not finished.
So the yogis, they find out, they try to find out. Not find out--try
to find out the localized aspect of the Supreme Personality of Godhead
within himself. And the devotees, they want to go directly to the
planet where Krsna is there and associate with Him. And the jnanis,
those who have simply come to the light... Just like the sunlight. So
to experience sunlight, as it is not perfection of understanding of
the sun, similarly, to experience Brahman is not all. One has to
understand the Paramatma feature and the Supreme Personality of
Godhead, ultimately Krsna.
The Vedic information says, kasmin tu bhagavo vijnate sarvam idam
vijnatam bhavati. If one can understand Krsna, the Supreme Personality
of Godhead, then everything becomes automatically known to him.
Everything becomes automatically known to him. And Narada is expected
to know Krsna, and therefore Vyasadeva is asking him that "Because you
know Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, you can understand
what is the defect in me."
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So simply by understanding Krsna, janma karma me divyam tattvatah,
in truth, not whimsically. Not by your fertile brain, speculation:
"Like this," "like that," "maybe," "perhaps..." Not this nonsense.
Just try to understand Krsna. So simply by understanding Krsna, janma
karma me divyam yo janati tattvatah tyaktva deham, that person, after
leaving this body, mam eti, he goes to Krsna. And who can go to Krsna
unless he has got a spiritual body, the same sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah?
Unless one has the same vigrahah... Just like we can understand that
when we take birth in a particular place, say in Greenland, which is
always full with ice, or some other place. So you have got a
particular type of body, you get. There the animals, there the man,
they have got a particular type of body. They can bear the severe
cold. We cannot. Similarly, when you go to Krsnaloka you'll have a
particular type of body. What is that particular type of body?
Sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah. Any planet you go, you must have particular
body. So tyaktva deham punar janma naiti. And as soon as you get
eternal body, then you don't have to come back again to this material
world. And that body, sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah body, means one who is
completely conversant with the service, devotional service of...
Because you cannot enter into the abode of Krsna with your
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... find kaivalyam, to become one. And tridasa-purakasa-puspayate.
Tri-dasa-pura means the planets, higher planets where demigods live.
Thirty-three million demigods, there are at least thirty-three million
planets. Tri-dasa-purakasa-puspayate. They are just like
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because there is glorification of the Lord, it can produce revolution.
It can purify the whole human society. My Guru Maharaja, when he was
selecting articles to be published in The Harmonist, if he sees simply
that there is, several times the writer has written "Krsna," "Lord
Caitanya," like that, he passes immediately: "All right. It's all
right. (laughter) It is all right." That so many times he has uttered
"Krsna" and "Caitanya," so it is all right. (chuckles)
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Therefore Pariksit Maharaja says, nivrtta-tarsaih. Nivrtta means
already finished, completely finished. What is that finished? Trsna.
Trsna means hankering. One who has finished his material hankering,
they can chant this transcendental glorification of the Lord. Others
cannot. Just like in our sankirtana movement, you are taking so much
ecstasy, pleasure. So others will say, "What these people are doing?
Crazy fellow, they're trancing, dancing and beating some drum."
They'll feel like that because their hankering for material enjoyment
is not finished. Therefore nivrtta.
Actually, this transcendental name of Krsna, or God, can be chanted
in liberated stage. Therefore we prescribe, while chanting, there are
three stages. The offensive stage, liberated stage, and actually on
the platform of love of Godhead stage. That is the perfectional stage
by chanting. In the beginning we chant in offensive stage--the ten
kinds of offenses. But that does not mean that we shall not chant.
Even there are offenses, we shall go on chanting. That chanting will
help me to get out of all offenses. Of course, we must take care that
we may not commit offenses. Therefore this list of ten kinds of
offenses are given. We should try to avoid. And as soon as it is
offenseless chanting, then it is liberated stage. That is liberated
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Prabhupada: They have also meeting, crow's meeting. If you kill one
crow, you'll see thousands of crows will come and hold their meeting:
"Oh, one crow is dead by the human being. We shall..." And if the man
is detected, this man has killed, these crows will, I mean to say,
hurt the head of that man. They'll come in flocks. Yes. I have seen in
India. Yes. They sometimes attack. So they have got also their own
defensive measure. The crow's meeting.
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That is the test. A devotee can..., cannot be equally interested
with material pleasure and transcendental pleasure. No. Virakti.
Bhagavad-gita also says that param drstva nivartate. Just like in a
hospital a diseased person is forced not to accept a certain type of
foodstuff. He has the desire. He has the desire to take such food.
Just like a typhoid patient, suffering from typhoid. Doctor says that
"You cannot take any solid food. A little liquid food you can take."
But he has the desire to take the solid food. "Oh, doctor has asked me
not to take such food. All right, what can I do?" But he has got the
desire. But a devotee, he hasn't got to be forced just like the
physician asks him, "Don't do this." He automatically does so. Why?
Param drstva nivartate: he has seen or he has tasted something better
for which he doesn't like to take any more this abominable taste. That
is bhaktih paresanu... That means when we become detestful such
abominable things, then we should know that we are advancing in Krsna
consciousness. The test is in your hand. You haven't got to ask
anybody, "Do you think I am increasing in Krsna consciousness," but
you can understand. Exactly in the same way: if you are hungry and if
you are eating, you know, by eating, how much your hunger is
satisfied, how much you are feeling strength, how much you are feeling
pleasure. You haven't got to ask anybody. Similarly, if anybody
increases his Krsna consciousness, the test will be that he will be
disinterested with all material pleasures. That is test.
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Prabhupada: So sastra says that what is the meaning of this
decoration? What benefit the man who is dead, what benefit he's
getting? Suppose you make lips very smiling, but actually that man is
smiling? (laughter) Similarly, in India also, the cobbler class men,
they, during their life, they will dress very wretchedly, not spend
money, but after death they will purchase some velvet and cover the
body and very nicely decorate, and with band party they'll take, lead
the dead body. Apranasyeva dehasya mandanam loka-ranjanam. So it may
be very much pleasing to the relatives. Just like the dead body's
decorated. The sons of that dead body may see him, that "Oh, my father
is smiling." (laughter) But he does not know where his father has
already gone. You see?
So this material civilization is just like decorating the dead
body. This body is dead. That is a fact. So long the soul is there, it
is working, it is moving. Just like your coat. It is dead. But so long
it is on your body, it appears the coat is moving. The coat is moving.
But if somebody is very much astonished, "Oh, how nice the coat is
moving!" (laughter) He does not know the coat cannot move. The coat is
dead. But because the man is there who is putting on the coat,
therefore the coat is moving, the pant is moving, the shoe is moving,
the hat is moving. Similarly, this body is dead. It is numbered: this
dead body will remain for such and such time. That is called duration
of life. But people are interested with this dead body exactly like
the cobbler class or these decorating men. So decoration of the dead
body. Apranasyeva... Apranasya means dead. Apranasyeva mandanam
loka-ranjanam. Loka-ranjanam: "It is very pleasing to the relatives."
That's all. Similarly, to get liberation, niranjanam--niranjanam means
to get out of this so-called decoration of the dead body--one requires
to acquire knowledge.
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Panthas tu koti-sata-vatsara-sampragamyo vayor athapi manaso
muni-pungavanam. That is stated in the Brahma-samhita. Muni-pungava.
Muni-pungava means "the greatest of all thoughtful men." Muni means
mental speculator, and pungava means first class, the highest,
topmost. Pungava. So if such thoughtful speculators go on speculating
about understanding God... How? Vayor athapi manasah. In the speed of,
in the velocity of air and mind. Not sputnik. A sputnik can run...
Your mechanical can run, say, eighteen thousand miles per hour, but
the air, that can run still more quicker. And the mind can run still
more quicker. So here it is recommended that if one is seated not on
the ordinary airplane, but the airplane of air... The yogis can do
that. The yogis know how to rise on the aeroplane of air, and they can
immediately transfer to any planet. Vayoh. Vayor athapi. There were...
There were planes made of air. Here... Just like now we have
manufactured the planes, iron or aluminium, but there are planes of
air, and similarly, there are planes of mind. You see?
So that, these are explained in the Brahma-samhita. Vayor athapi
manaso muni-pungavanam. And manufactured by greatest, stalwart
thinker, or scientist. And going in this speed for many, many
thousands of years. Still, you cannot reach where is Krsnaloka.
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Samadhina. This is samadhi. Yoga process means to come to the stage of
samadhi. Astanga-yoga. Yoga means there are eight different stages,
and the last stage is called samadhi. The first stage is yama,
samyama, controlling the senses. Yoga indriya-samyama. The beginning
of yoga system means you have to control your senses. This is the
first beginning. It is not a play thing, that you do all nonsense and
you become a yogi. No. These things are very clearly explained in the
Bhagavad-gita. You have to regulate your life. You have to stop sex
life. You have to eat certain procedure. You have to sit under certain
procedure. In this way, you have to follow so many regulative
principles. That is called yama. And niyama. Niyama means regulative
principles. Yama means controlling the senses. Yama, niyama. Then
asana. Then sitting posture. Generally, in these yoga societies in
your country, they give some lesson on the sitting posture, and people
become captivated that he is practicing yoga. No. First one has to
follow regulative principles and control the senses, then practice the
sitting postures. Yama, niyama, asana, pranayama. And when your
sitting posture is correct, then you can exercise breathing. Exercise.
Breathing exercise means the nostril which is stopped breathing. You
have to press that side and try to breathe from the other side. In
this way, breathing exercise. Yama, niyama, asana, pranayama. This is
Then dharana, meditation. And what is that meditation? That
meditation... Here it is recommended, tad-vicestitam: "meditation on
the activities of the Supreme Lord." If the Supreme Lord is
impersonal, then where is the question of activities? And how you can
concentrate your mind something impersonal? Bhagavad-gita says that
klesah adhikataras tesam avyaktasakta-cetasam: "Those who are trying
to meditate on the impersonal feature, impersonal feature, their
process is very troublesome." Kleso 'dhikatarah. Adhikatara means
greater. Any spiritual realization, without painstaking, without
accepting some voluntary trouble... And nobody can very easily...,
eating, drinking, merrying. No, that will... That is not spiritual
advancement. One has to accept voluntarily some principles. That is
called tapasya. So dhyana. Dhyana means meditation. So that dhyana.
Then dharana. Dharana means meditating, then the subject matter
will be fixed up in your heart. It will not move. Not that every day I
am meditating on some new subject, no. The meditation is visnu-murti.
Actually those who are yogis, they meditate on the four-handed
visnu-murti. Mat-parah. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said, mat-parah:
"unto Me," either Krsna or Visnu. That is meditation. Dhyana, dharana.
And one, when one is practiced meditating, first beginning from the
lotus feet... These things are all explained in the Bhagavata,
Srimad-Bhagavata, Bhagavad-gita. Then gradually, when you are
practiced to think of Krsna's lotus feet or Visnu's lotus feet, then
you proceed--then the thighs, then the waist, then the chest, then the
mouth, I mean to, face, then... In this way, one after another, one
after another, you have to meditate. In this way, when your meditation
is fixed up, that is called dharana. Dharana. It is not moving.
That samadhi, yoga-samadhi. After passing all these stages,
when one comes to the samadhi, fixed up, his concentration,
meditation, fixed up on Krsna and Visnu, that is called samadhi, and
in that samadhi, one can become liberated simply by thinking of the
activities of the Lord. How it is so? It is described in the
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Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu approved one brahmana. He was
illiterate. He could not know what is the Sanskrit alphabet or
character, what to speak of reading. But when he was initiated, his
spiritual master said, "You read daily so many chapters of
Bhagavad-gita." The spiritual master knew that he is illiterate. And
he also knew that "I am illiterate. I cannot know what is alphabet,
Sanskrit." Still, the order of spiritual master, that is... This is
discipleship. "All right, my spiritual master, I shall try to read."
So how he was reading? He, he took the book, and he was seeing the
book, and "Ohhhh," like... That's all. His friends, who knew that this
man is illiterate, and what he is reading: "Mr. such-and-such, how you
are reading?" Criticizing. He was silent because he knew that "I am
illiterate. My friends are criticizing. That's all right. What can I
Then Caitanya Mahaprabhu saw that these things are going on in the
Ranganatha temple. But He saw that "This brahmana is very gentle and
grave, and he's handling the book. That's all." So He inquired, "My
dear brahmana, what you are reading?" He said... He could understand
that "He's not criticizing. He's a, mean, a great man." So he said,
"Sir, what can I say? My spiritual master asked me to read every day
Bhagavad-gita, so many chapters, but I am illiterate. I cannot read.
Therefore I have taken the book, simply seeing. That's all. What can I
do?" "But I see you are sometimes crying. You must be reading.
Otherwise, how you are feeling and you are crying?" "Yes, I am
feeling. That's a fact." "How, what is that?" "Now, as soon as I take
this book, Bhagavad-gita, the picture of Krsna and Arjuna comes before
me. I see that both Krsna and Arjuna are sitting on the chariot, and
Krsna is instructing Bhagavad-gita. So I am appreciating how Lord is
kind, that He has accepted the charioteer, to become a charioteer of
His devotee. He's so kind. So when I feel this, that 'Krsna is so kind
that He become the servant of His servant,' that feeling gives me some
ecstasy, and I cry." Caitanya Mahaprabhu immediately embraced him.
"Your Bhagavad-gita reading is perfect."
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system. One has to come to that stage, samadhi. And samadhi means
without any diversion, you have to think always of Krsna. So even a...
Just like this man, this brahmana. He was simply... He was illiterate.
He did not know what is Bhagavad-gita's character, what is written
there. But there is samadhi. He was thinking of "Krsna and Arjuna,
Krsna and Arjuna, how they are talking, how they are sitting, how the
chariot is going, how Krsna is nice." This is thinking. That is
samadhi. Samadhi is not an artificial thing, by pressing your nose, or
this or... That is... These things are recommended for the third-class
men who cannot concentrate his mind in Krsna, for the fourth-class,
third-class men. It is not for the first-class man. A first-class man
is automatically Krsna conscious…..
So anyone who is chanting Hare Krsna, he is in samadhi. Anyone who
is cooking for Krsna, he is in samadhi. Anyones who is typing for
Krsna, he is in samadhi. Anyone who is working in the field for Krsna,
he is in samadhi. Because his consciousness is that "I am doing here
for satisfaction of Krsna." Anukulyena krsnanusilanam. Anusilanam,
cultivation of Krsna knowledge favorably, not unfavorably. Then it is
perfection. Bhaktir uttama. Anukulyena. Anyabhilasita-sunyam. When you
cook, if you think, "Oh, this nice thing is being cooked. I shall eat
it very nicely," then it is not Krsna. But while cooking, if you
think, "Let me do it very nicely so that Krsna will taste it," it is
Krsna consciousness. The same thing. Activities is the same, but the
consciousness is different. That is samadhi.
So samadhi is not very extraordinary thing. One has to become
simply serious and sincere to Krsna. Then he is in samadhi. That is
confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita:….
"Anyone who is always thinking of Me within his heart and he's engaged
in My service, he's first-class yogi." So any person who is engaged in
Krsna consciousness, who's acting simply for Krsna twenty-four hours,
he's in samadhi. Samadhina tad, anusmara tad-vicestitam. Anusmara:
"That meditation should not be manufactured by you, but under the
direction of the representative of Krsna." Therefore it is called
And again Sridhara Svami gives note herewith that "Not
only you meditate, but you preach. That will help your meditation."
Just like I am speaking to you. I am meditating simultaneously. Unless
I remember, how can I speak to you? Unless my attention is
concentrated without any diversion in Krsna subject matter, how can I
speak to you? So that is also samadhi. Don't think that one who is
simply sitting, he is in samadhi. One who is preaching, he's also in
samadhi, because he's thinking of Krsna. Otherwise, how he can talk of
Krsna if he does not think of Krsna? ….
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So he, he propagated this philosophy, Carvaka Muni, that rnam krtva
ghrtam pibet. In India, according to Vedic civilization, one is very
much afraid of taking loan from others because he has conviction, "If
I do not pay, then in my next life I'll have to pay many times. So I
must liquidate my debt." That's a fact. If you take one cent from
somebody else without doing something good to him or without
exchanging something, then you are debtor, and you have to pay him
with interest and compound interest. That is the law of karma. You
cannot take anything. We are debtor to so many things. People have no
idea. Devarsi-bhutapta-nrnam pitrnam. These are stated in the sastras,
that we are indebted, debtor to the demigods. Just like we are getting
so much sunlight. We are enjoying: "Oh, today is a very nice day." But
do we pay any tax? Do we pay anything? No. But in the Vedic injunction
there is sun-god worship. Therefore we find that so many demigods'
worship, yajnas. The feeling that "I am taking so much advantage from
the sunshine, so I must give him something," this is called sacrifice.
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Now, the question may be that one may take to the service of the
Supreme Personality of Godhead without understanding the truth, by
sentiment. Just like sometimes... It is mostly in this country. Some
of the disciples, some of the students, they are coming, not that one
has understood this philosophy very nicely and he is convinced. Some
of them are coming by sentiment: "All right, let me join this Krsna
consciousness movement." So in that case what happens? Suppose one
does not understand the philosophy, but he comes to join this Krsna
consciousness movement, then what is the effect? That is also clearly
explained by Naradadeva, that,…
So Narada says that "Giving up all other engagements..." Just like it
is instructed in the Bhagavad-gita that "Give up all other
engagements. Simply surrender unto Me." So if somebody, out of
sentiment, without understanding, out of sentiment, surrenders, comes
to Krsna... Here he had many duties to perform, his family life, his
duty to the country, so many duties. Everyone has got so many duties.
But one gives up all other duties, simply comes to Krsna. Then what
happens to him? This is very important version of Narada Muni. He
says, sva-dharma: "Everyone has got some occupational duty. So he
gives it up according to the instruction of Krsna," and caranambujam
hareh, "and begins devotional service, Krsna consciousness. Then,
after some time..." Just like many... When I came, in the beginning,
there were many, not many, a few, say within five or six, they were
working with me, but now they are not working. So that is possibility.
Because one may come by sentiment. Then, after staying for some time,
he may find it: "Oh, what is this Krsna consciousness? Let me do
something else." Or "Let me join in my previous occupation." So Narada
Muni says that "Even a person joins Krsna consciousness, giving up all
other occupational duties and without being mature, falls down,
There are so many reasons one may fall down. Not only... Actually,
the reason is maya. Maya, maya. It is a fight. To take to Krsna
consciousness means it is a fight against maya. Maya is trying to keep
you captivated within this material world. But if anyone takes to
Krsna consciousness, he, maya has to give him up. Maya cannot control
anymore. That is not the jurisdiction of maya. Because you have read
in the Bhagavad-gita that Krsna says, daivi hy esa gunamayi mama maya
duratyaya: "It is very, very, very difficult to get out of the grip of
the strong maya." It is not... But mam eva ye prapadyante: "If anyone
comes to Me or surrenders unto Me," mayam etam taranti te, "he
immediately becomes out of the jurisdiction of maya."
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So for giving up your duty, there must
be some punishment." I don't mean in this worldly punishment. Just
like, according to Vedic system, there are brahmanas, ksatriyas, for
example. Just like Krsna was advising Arjuna that "You are ksatriya.
So if you die in this fight, then your heavenly door is open."
Because, according to sastra, if a ksatriya dies while fighting, then
automatically he gets promotion in the heavenly planet. And if he goes
away, giving up the fighting, then he goes to hell. So similarly, if
one does not discharge his duties, prescribed duties, then he falls
down. Narada Muni says, "Even if he falls down, still, there is no
loss. Even if he falls down, there is no loss." Sva-dharma tyagena
anartha syad asam kara tato bhajanam pated katancid vrasyed mriyate va
yadi tathapi bhaktir asikasya karmany adhikarad na.(?) Even there is
such chance, that I may fall down or I may not be mature, still,
Narada Muni gives: "There is no question of hesitation. Accept it.
Even if you think that you'll not be able to prosecute Krsna
consciousness in full, still, you accept it."…..
Now, now suppose a brahmana, a brahmana, he is, he has got so many duties... ..
So if a brahmana does not discharge his duties, it is said that he becomes a sudra, or falls
down. Sthanad bhrastah patanty adhah. So Narada Muni says that
"Suppose next life a brahmana falls down. He takes to Krsna
consciousness. Neither he executes the brahminical duties, nor he
could prosecute Krsna consciousness to perfection, still," Narada Muni
says, "there is no loss. There is no loss." Yatra kva va nica-yony apy
amusya abhadra abhut kim.(?) Now, if the brahmana, by not executing
his prescribed duties, he becomes a sudra--next life he takes birth in
a sudra family or lower than sudra family--so Narada Muni says, "What
is the loss there? Because Krsna consciousness is so nice that it will
not leave the person who has once taken to Krsna consciousness. It
will revive even in that lower status of life."
… Now, in this country,so the boys and girls who are taking to Krsna consciousness, previous
to this, they were meat-eater. They were so many things which,
according to brahminical religion, these are abominable condition. But
see the practical. Even they were fallen this abominable condition
some way or other, but because in the their last life they had some
advancement of Krsna consciousness, immediately they are taking up. So
those who are joining in this movement, in this country, they were
supposed to be previously Krsna conscious. Somehow or other, they
could not execute Krsna consciousness in full. So although they are
born in a country where there is no trace of Krsna consciousness,
there is no, I mean to, even purity of life, still, they are taking
up. So where is the loss? There is no loss.
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.. Generally we say karmis, ordinary men, who are working
hard to earn some money and enjoy. Actually, they are not karmis. They
are vikarmis. Real karmis... Just like a thief. A thief is stealing.
That is also certain kind of activity. It is not inactivity. So we
cannot say that this is bona fide activity. He's also planning. He's
also making plan, how to steal, how to go upstairs of the house and
then come down. So there is activity. But such kind of activity is not
bona fide activity. Therefore, according to sastra, it is called
vikarma. Vikarma means it is counteractivity. Activity means you have
to work legally. That is activity. If you say that "I am very much
active in stealing," then that is not excused. Then you'll...
Government will say, "Please stop your activity. You come into the
So similarly, this kind of activity, sense gratificatory
activities, they are not karmis even. They are vikarmis. Because they
are preparing their ground--adanta-gobhir visatam tamisram: "By such
activities they are going to the darkest region of hell." Adanta...
Why? Now adanta-gobhih. Adanta means uncontrolled. Go means senses.
Such activities, impelled by uncontrolled senses, they will lead...
Such activities will lead him to the darkest region of hellish
condition of life. So activi..., real activity means to elevate
yourself. That is, that is called karma. Karma, akarma, and vikarma.
Vikarma means such activities will, which will lead him to the hellish
condition of life. And karma means that activity which will promote
you to the higher standard of life, in the higher planetary system,
where the standard of life is far, far greater than in this planet. So
that is called karma.
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So our whole program is that Krsna is very kind, always kind upon
us, but we have to become little willing to take Krsna's favor.
That... What is the example? My Guru Maharaja used to give a very nice
example. I remember. Just like here is a well. Somebody has fallen
down; he's crying, "Please get me out! Get me out! Get me out!" Now,
if somebody drops a, a, I mean to, tight, strong rope and asks him,
"All right, you catch this rope tightly. I'll get you out," and if he
says, "No, that I cannot do," then how he'll be saved? That much
endeavor he must have, to catch the rope. Then he'll be lifted
immediately. Similarly, Krsna says that sarva-dharman parityajya mam
ekam saranam vraja. So we have to do that. Simply to surrender unto...
Then everything is there. That is the only. Because... Now the rope is
there. Now we have to capture. Now, if you don't use your independence
to catch it, then how can you expect to be lifted? That much you have
to do. Because you have got... You are living. You are not a dead
stone. You have got the independence. Therefore you have to capture,
and Krsna will do everything. Then Krsna will do everything. Simply
you have to capture, that "Krsna, from this day I am Yours. Whatever
You like, You do."
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How is that? The incidence is that he was performing the sraddha
ceremony of his father, but he had a girlfriend, prostitute. So he
wanted to go there very quickly. So somehow or other he finished. And
he wanted to go there. But on the road he found that it was very
heavily raining and he had to cross the river. So he did everything.
And he... The prostitute was... She thought that "Bilvamangala is not
coming today. It is very..., so much raining." So when she saw that
Bilvamangala is at the door, she was astonished. She said,
"Bilvamangala, how did you come here in this rainy, torrents of
rainy...?" So he disclosed everything that how he catched one dead
body in the river, then he crossed the river, then he jumped over the
wall. So she was astonished, and she simply said, "Oh, this much
affection if you would have with Krsna, how you would have been...
Your life would have been nice." Immediately it was... "Oh, Krsna...?"
Immediately, he left everything. Immediately he left everything and
went to Vrndavana. He is... So Krsna is so nice. Just at the right
point He will remind. …
Whatever Krsna gives you, be satisfied. That was the basic principle
of Vedic civilization. Nobody was trying to make any artificial
economic development. No. The whole history of India is like that.
They were satisfied, "All right..." Even now the mass of people... In
1942 there was famine. People were dying. Still, they were..., "All
right. Krsna has given us. God has given us." That was the mentality.
So our main business is how to improve Krsna consciousness. We
should not divert our attention in any other material condition of
improvement. That is actually not improvement. It is simply illusion,
that "I am making improvement." What improvement? Suppose you are
earning now, say, five hundred dollars per month. If you earn, say,
five million dollars, so then what? Will you eat more than four
capatis? (laughter) You'll eat the same four capatis. And you'll
occupy the same six feet bed. You may acquire the whole property of
West Virginia, (laughter) but you'll have to lie down on six feet.
(laughter) That's all. And you'll have to eat four capatis. So this is
maya. This is maya, "I am improving." What you are improving? You'll
not be taller. You'll not be great eater, nothing of the sort.
Whatever you have already, you'll have so the same thing. You see?
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At least, in India, one who cannot say his father's name,
immediately he becomes degraded. Just like the Jabala Satyakama.
Jabala Satyakama, he, he was... He went to Gautama Muni, "Please
initiate me." And according to Vedic conclu..., initiation is meant
for the brahmana. Brahmana, ksatriya and vaisya. Not for the sudras.
Sudras are not initiated. And in the Kali-yuga, because everyone is a
sudra, therefore he's first of all given training to become a
brahmana. Then the sacred thread is offered. This is the process.
Because actually, initiation cannot be given to anyone except a
brahmana. So kalau sudra-sambhavah: "In the Kali-yuga, everyone is
sudra." That is to be accepted without any disagreement. Kalau
sudra-sambhavah. Because they have no samskara. Asamskrtah kriya-hina
mlecchah. One who is not undergone the reformatory processes,
garbhadhana-samskara, upanayana-samskara... There are ten kinds of
samskaras, reformatory. One who has not gone, or one who is not
permitted to undergo the samskara, he's sudra. Samskarad bhaved
dvijah. Everyone is born sudra. By reformatory method, he becomes
twice-born--by the spiritual master and Vedic knowledge. Vedic
knowledge is the mother, and spiritual master is the father.
In this way, the Jabala Upanisad... He was asked by his, by Gautama
Muni, "Who is your father?" So he said that "I do not know." "Then go
to your mother. Ask her." The mother could not say, that "I do not
know who is your father. I have connection with so many men." So he
came back to Gautama Muni, "Sir, my mother also does not know." She
said that she had many connections, 'I do not who is particularly your
father.' " But Gautama Muni immediately accepted him, "Yes, you are
brahmana, because you are truthful. Nobody dares to say like that,
that 'I do not know my father's name. My mother said that she had many
connections.' " Because he was truthful, satyam samo damas titiksa, so
by the quality, he was accepted immediately, and he was initiated,
that "You have the qualities of brahmana." A brahmana will speak
truth, even to his enemy.
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Prabhupada: ...nice. I don't exactly... We have heard from
authorities. There is no question of inquiring. What is the... Even if
you don't quote, you can assert firmly that everyone is a sudra. How?
Now, guna-karma-vibhagasah. Bhagavad-gita says this classification is
made, guna-karma. So what is the karma at the present moment? They're
seeking service. The so-called education means seeking service,
master. Paricaryatmakam karma sudrasyapi svabhava-jam. This is sastra.
Anyone who is attached to give service to others or, without giving
service to others, he cannot live, that is, he's sudra. He has no
independent existence. Just like I was showing, the dog. Unemployed.
Lean and thin and... Because he has no master. The same dog, when he
has got a master, he'll be stout and strong, and he'll, as soon as
you... "Owf! Owf! Bow! (laughter) I have got my master." So this is
sudra. Sudra is compared with the dog. A dog is never happy without a
master. Then it is a street dog. That is the difference between
household dog and a street dog. So in this age practically you see,
unless there is employment, he's a street dog. That is the proof that
everyone is a sudra. That is the proof.
Brahmananda: Brahmana is not to accept any employment.
Prabhupada: No. He'll die of starvation. He'll not accept any
employment. That is brahmana. Ksatriya also that, and vaisya also.
Only sudra. A vaisya will find out some business. He'll find out some
business. So there is a practical story. One Mr. Nandi, long, long
ago, in the Calcutta, he went to some friend that, "If you can give me
a little capital, I can start some business." So he said, "You are
vaisya? Mercantile?" "Yes." "Oh, you are asking money from me? Money's
on the street. You can find out." So he said, "I don't find." "You
don't find? What is that?" "That, that is a dead mouse." "That is your
capital." Just see.
So in those days plague in Calcutta, plague was going on. So
municipal declaration was any dead mouse brought to the municipal
office, he'll be paid two annas. So he took that dead body of the
mouse and took to the municipal office. He was paid two annas. So he
purchased some rotten betel nuts with two annas, and washed it and
sold it at four annas, or five annas. In this way, again, again,
again, that man became so rich man. One of their family members was
our Godbrother. Nandi family. That Nandi family still, they have got
four hundred, five hundred men to eat daily. A big, aristocratic
family. And their family's regulation is as soon as one son or
daughter is born, five thousand rupees deposited in the bank, and at
the time of his marriage, that five thousand rupees with interest, he
can take it. Otherwise there is no more share in the capital. And
everyone who lives in the family, he gets eating and shelter. This is
their... But the original, I mean to say, establisher of this family,
Nandi, he started his business with a red, a dead rat, or mouse.
That is actually fact, actually fact, that if one wants to live
independently... In Calcutta I have seen. Even poor class vaisyas, and
in the morning they'll take some dal, bag of dal, and go door to door.
Dal is required everywhere. So in morning he makes dal business, and
in evening he takes one canister of kerosene oil. So in the evening
everyone will require. Still you'll find in India, they... Nobody was
seeking for employment. A little, whatever he has got, selling some
ground nuts or that peanuts. Something he's doing. After all, Krsna is
giving maintenance to everyone. It is a mistake to think that "This
man is giving me maintenance." No. Sastra says, eko yo bahunam
vidadhati kaman. It is confidence in Krsna, that "Krsna has given me
life, Krsna has sent me here. So He'll give me my maintenance. So
according to my capacity, let me do something, and through that
source, Krsna's maintenance will come." Just like we are maintaining
so many people in the Krsna consciousness movement. So what business
we are doing? But we are confident that Krsna will send us our
maintenance. That confidence required. A sudra means he becomes
disturbed. He becomes distur... "Oh, I have no employment. How shall I
eat? Where shall I go? Where shall I live?" He has no faith in Krsna.
The brahmana has got full faith. The ksatriya has got little less
faith, the vaisya, little less faith, and the sudra has no faith. This
is the difference.
So your question was that how we can know a sudra? That because
everyone is now faithless and everyone is seeking after employment.
Therefore... We may discuss in so many ways. Because people have
become sudra, therefore the capitalists are exploiting them. If
everyone denies to be, serve, then these so-called industries will
fail. Immediately. That is Gandhi's proposal. "Noncooperate with the
British government, and it will wind up." And actually so happened.
Because people are now sudras, they depend for their bread to others,
the others exploit them: "Come here. You work and I shall give you
bread." They do not believe any more, "O God, give us our daily
bread." They think that "This, our master give us daily bread." That
is sudra. Sudra means one who is dependent on others. Paricaryatmakam
karyam sudra-karma svabhava-jam. This is the description, definition
of sudra. And vaisya: krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma
svabhava-jam. The vaisya is doing the krsi, agriculture. Why he should
depend on...? Take some land from the government. You produce your
food. Where is the difficulty? Keep some cows. You get milk.
Vaisya-karma svabhava... Go-raksya. If you have got excess, then make
trade. Why you should depend on others?
But they do not know. They want that "I shall go at ten o'clock in
the office, and I shall do nothing. Simply I shall take the pen and
make like this and take my salary." That's all. Cheating. This is
going on. Therefore the whole system is polluted. Nobody's doing his
duty. Catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma... According to one's
quality, one must work. But nobody wants to work. So therefore they
are sudras. They are working, but at the care of somebody else. Not
independently. Now the school, college, the teacher is also depending
on salary. So they are sudras. So what teaching they will give?
Teaching is the business of the brahmana. No salary. Formerly, all the
brahmanas, they used to have that... It is called tola, catuspathi.
Catuspathi. Brahmana, he'll sit down anywhere and invite that "If you
like, you can come and take some teachings from me."……
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