ONLY MAHA-BHAGAVATA IS DIKSA GURU- Reply to Rocana das

May 16, 2014 in Articles, Mahesh Raja, other Prabhupada anugas

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ONLY MAHA-BHAGAVATA IS DIKSA GURU: Srila Prabhupada is OUR Diksa Guru For As Long as His Books Are On The Planet

Reply to Rocana’s article “A Ritvik Smokescreen

By Mahesh Raja and Prabhupadanugas

A) If you are NOT on Transcendental platform you CAN NOT give TRANSCENDENTAL Knowledge.

B) Madhyama means MIDDLE stage he is the RECEPIENT of Diksa whereas the Mahabhagavata is the Spiritual Master who TRANSFERS  Krsna in the heart of Madhyama Adhikari thus Diksa is described GRAPHICALLY SB10.2.18. And  Antya lila 4.192 – 4.194.

C) Madhyama can NOT be a Diksa Guru as that would be OFFENSIVE chanting – means his spiritual life is FINISHED!

Purport, Nectar of Instruction 5

One should NOT become a spiritual master UNLESS he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari.

The 3rd Offence in chanting is to disobey the Spiritual Master so  if one becomes a spiritual master without being on Uttama Adhikari he will be committing offense 

 

NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided

The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.

Lectures: BG 7.1 – Ahmedabad, December 13, 1972 : 721213BG.AHM :  The madhyama-adhikārī should not touch the demons. Because maybe, he may turn again, be demon. Therefore one should be very careful to associate with the demons.

D) Kanistha is a MATERIALLY CONTAMINATED hence he is unfit to give Diksa

So how can we establish that Kanistha does NOT give diksa?

Kanistha is a QUALIFIED Brahmana. But even such a QUALIFIED Brahmana is in MATERIAL CONTAMINATION. And because he has MATERIAL CONTAMINATION he does NOT have Transcendental Knowledge. What you do NOT have you can NOT give. And it is Transcendental Knowledge that frees one from ALL MATERIAL CONTAMINATION.

Definition of Diksa:

Madhya 15.108 The Lord Accepts Prasada at the House of Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya

Srila Jiva Gosvami explains diksa in his Bhakti-sandarbha (283):

divyam jnanam yato dadyat kuryat papasya sanksayam tasmad dikseti sa prokta desikais tattva-kovidaih

“Diksa is the process by which one can awaken his transcendental knowledge and vanquish all reactions caused by sinful activity. A person expert in the study of the revealed scriptures knows this process as diksa.”

Madhya 4.111 Sri Madhavendra Puri’ s Devotional Service Diksa actually means initiating a disciple with transcendental knowledge by which he becomes freed from all material contamination.

So here we see from above definition of Diksa quotes:

D1) Transcendental Knowledge awakened, initiated

D2) becomes freed from all material contamination; vanquish all reactions caused by sinful activity

Now ask a simple question HOW can a Brahmana(Kanistha) who is NOT freed from MATERIAL CONTAMINATION GIVE DIKSA -BY WHICH- ONE BECOMES FREED FROM **ALL** MATERIAL CONTAMINATION?

Just take a look at how contradictory and stupid this looks:

Q1) HOW can a Brahmana (Kanistha) who is HIMSELF material contaminated free another person from **ALL** MATERIAL CONTAMINATION?

SB 9.19.25 P King Yayati Achieves Liberation The word vidhuta, meaning “cleansed,” is very significant. Everyone in this material world is contaminated (karanam guna-sango ‘sya). Because we are in a material condition, we are contaminated either by sattva-guna, by rajo-guna or by tamo-guna. Even if one becomes a qualified brahmana in the mode of goodness (sattva-guna), he is still materially contaminated. One must come to the platform of suddha-sattva, transcending the sattva-guna. Then one is vidhuta-trilinga, cleansed of the contamination caused by the three modes of material nature.

Q2) If a Brahmana(Kanistha) had Transcendental Knowledge then why is contaminated by goodness(sattva-guna)?

Diksa is the process by which one can awaken his transcendental knowledge and vanquish all reactions caused by sinful activity.

Diksa actually means initiating a disciple with transcendental knowledge by which he becomes freed from all material contamination

Q3) So HOW can a Kanistha(Brahmana) who HIMSELF is material contaminated does NOT have Transcendental Knowledge give another person Transcendental Knowledge to free him?

Common-sense: What you do NOT have you CAN NOT give to others.

770214r2.may Conversations Prabhupada: Vaisnava is not so easy. The varnasrama-dharma should be established to become a Vaisnava. It is not so easy to become Vaisnava. Hari-sauri: No, it’s not a cheap thing. Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore this should be made. Vaisnava, to become Vaisnava, is not so easy. If Vaisnava, to become Vaisnava is so easy, why so many fall down, fall down? It is not easy. The sannyasa is for the highest qualified brahmana. And simply by dressing like a Vaisnava, that is… fall down. Hari-sauri: So the varnasrama system is like for the kanisthas, Kanistha-adhikari. Prabhupada: Kanistha? Hari-sauri: When one is only on the platform of neophyte. Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Kanistha-adhikari, yes. Hari-sauri: Varnasrama system is beneficial. Prabhupada: Kanistha-adhikari means he must be a brahmana. That is kanistha-adhikari. The spiritual life, kanistha-adhikari, means he must be a qualified brahmana. That is kanistha. What is esteemed as very high position in the material world, brahmana, that is kanistha-adhikari. arcayam eva haraye pujam yah sraddhayehate na tad-bhaktesu canyesu sa bhaktah prakrtah smrtah The brahmana means from the material stage gradually he is elevated to the spiritual stage. And below the brahmana there is no question of Vaisnava. Hari-sauri: No question of? Prabhupada: Vaisnavism.

760206mw.may Conversations Dayananda: But what about the persons who may be a little bit devoted but who have not achieved that unalloyed devotion? Prabhupada: Kanistha-adhikari. They are not devotees, but they are called bhaktabhasa. There is some signs of bhakti. Actually they are not bhakta. Bhaktabhasa. Abhasa. Abhasa means a simple, a little light. Hrdayananda: So devotee really means one who has love for Krsna. Prabhupada: Yes, unalloyed, without any condition. Anyabhilasita-sunyam, zero, all other, that “I am this, I am that, I am jnani, I am yogi, I am karmi, I am minister, I am king”–all these are thinking like that, they’re all nonsense. “I am servant of Krsna”–that is greatness. Jivera svarupa haya nitya-krsna-dasa. That is self-realization, atma-tattvam.

Madhya 20.59 Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Instructs Sanatana Gosvami in the Science PURPORT This verse is spoken by Prahlada Maharaja in Srimad-Bhagavatam (7.9.10). A brahmana is supposed to be qualified with twelve qualities. As stated in the Mahabharata:

dharmas ca satyam ca damas tapas ca amatsaryam hris titiksanasuya yajnas ca danam ca dhrtih srutam ca vratani vai dvadasa brahmanasya

“A brahmana must be perfectly religious. He must be truthful, and he must be able to control his senses. He must execute severe austerities, and he must be detached, humble and tolerant. He must not envy anyone, and he must be expert in performing sacrifices and giving whatever he has in charity. He must be fixed in devotional service and expert in the knowledge of the Vedas. These are the twelve qualifications for a brahmana.”

Bhagavad-gita describes the brahminical qualities in this way:

samo damas tapah saucam ksantir arjavam eva ca jnanam vijnanam astikyam brahma-karma svabhava-jam

“Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, wisdom, knowledge, and religiousness–these are the qualities by which the brahmanas work.” (Bg. 18.42)

In the Muktaphala-tika, it is said:

samo damas tapah saucam ksanty-arjava-virakta yah jnana-vijnana-santosah satyastikye dvisad gunah

“Mental equilibrium, sense control, austerity, cleanliness, tolerance, simplicity, detachment, theoretical and practical knowledge, satisfaction, truthfulness and firm faith in the Vedas are the twelve qualities of a brahmana.”

730828BG.LON Lectures So first of all, we have to become brahmana. Then Vaisnava. Brahmana simply knows that “I am spirit soul,” aham brahmasmi. Brahma janati iti brahmana. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma. By such knowledge one becomes prasannatma. Means relieved. As you feel relief… When there is burden on your head, and the burden is taken away you feel relieved, similarly, this ignorance that “I am this body” is a great burden, a burden upon us. So when you get out of this burden, then you feel relieved. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma. Means when actually one understands that “I am not this body; I am soul,” then he has to work so hard for maintaining this body, so he gets relief that “Why I am working so hard for this lump of material things? Let me execute my real necessity of life, spiritual life.” That is great relief. That is great relief. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati. The relief means there is hankering, no more lamentation. These are the brahma-bhutah.

SB 1.2.20 P Divinity and Divine Service The very same thing is confirmed herein in the above words. No ordinary man, or even one who has attained success in human life, can know scientifically or perfectly the Personality of Godhead. Perfection of human life is attained when one can understand that he is not the product of matter but is in fact spirit. And as soon as one understands that he has nothing to do with matter, he at once ceases his material hankerings and becomes enlivened as a spiritual being. This attainment of success is possible when one is above the modes of passion and ignorance, or, in other words, when one is actually a brahmana by qualification. A BRAHMANA IS THE SYMBOL OF SATTVA-GUNA, OR THE MODE OF GOODNESS. AND OTHERS, WHO ARE NOT IN THE MODE OF GOODNESS, ARE EITHER KSATRIYAS, VAISYAS, SUDRAS OR LESS THAN THE SUDRAS. THE BRAHMINICAL STAGE IS THE HIGHEST STAGE OF HUMAN LIFE BECAUSE OF ITS GOOD QUALITIES. SO ONE CANNOT BE A DEVOTEE UNLESS ONE AT LEAST QUALIFIES AS A BRAHMANA. The devotee is already a brahmana by action. But that is not the end of it. AS REFERRED TO ABOVE, SUCH A BRAHMANA HAS TO BECOME A VAISNAVA IN FACT TO BE ACTUALLY IN THE TRANSCENDENTAL STAGE. A PURE VAISNAVA IS A LIBERATED SOUL AND IS TRANSCENDENTAL EVEN TO THE POSITION OF A BRAHMANA. IN THE MATERIAL STAGE EVEN A BRAHMANA IS ALSO A CONDITIONED SOUL BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IN THE BRAHMINICAL STAGE THE CONCEPTION OF BRAHMAN OR TRANSCENDENCE IS REALIZED, SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE SUPREME LORD IS LACKING. ONE HAS TO SURPASS THE BRAHMINICAL STAGE AND REACH THE VASUDEVA STAGE TO UNDERSTAND THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD KRSNA.

Rocana: Mahesh does not make a distinction between the issue of the qualifications of a bona fide spiritual master, and the fact that sastra acknowledges that there also exist kanishta and madhyam gurus. He does not distinguish between the qualifications of the uttama diksa, and the range of possibility the candidate has for the sorts of guru he might choose for himself, which includes not only uttama-diksa.

Mahesh: The “range of possibility” is non-existent.  By definition ONLY Mahabhagavata is Diksa guru as discribed in CC Madhya 24.330

MAHĀ-BHĀGAVATA-śreṣṭho brāhmaṇo vai gurur nṛṇām sarveṣām eva lokānām asau pūjyo yathā hariḥ

ahā-kula-prasūto ‘pi sarva-yajñeṣu DĪKṢITAḤ sahasra-śākhādhyāyī ca na guruḥ syād avaiṣṇavaḥ

“The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class.”

The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. ….When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY SUCH A PERSON IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY THE POST OF A GURU.

Rocana das is trying to juggle OUT of this in the hope that Kanistha is also some sort of Diksa guru.

Note: When Krsna comes into the heart of sincere soul AT THE STAGE OF MADHYAMA ADHIKARI BY DIKSA FROM MAHABHAGAVATA he SEES Krsna and his  SVARUPA is revealed in the heart. Kanistha can NOT transfer Krsna into your heart. Madhyama is A RECEPIENT.

69-01-22. Letter: Vilasavigraha

In regard to your next question, self realization means God realization, and God realization means self realization. JUST LIKE TO SEE THE SUN MEANS TO SEE ONESELF, AND TO SEE ONESELF MEANS TO SEE THE SUN. SELF REALIZATION DEPENDS COMPLETELY UPON GOD REALIZATION, OR ELSE IT IS NOT COMPLETE. ONE MUST KNOW HIS RELATIONSHIP TO THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH TO FULLY KNOW HIS POSITION.

Note: Srila Prabhupada gives Divya-jnana(DIKSA). Divya means TRANSCENDENTAL and Jnana means KNOWLEDGE Hrde means heart and Prokasito means revealed just as in prakasa – manifested Krsna becomes manifest in the heart of the Pure Devotee.

760711CC.NY Lectures Prabhupada: Divya-jnana hrde prokasito. What is that divya-jnana? Divya-jnana is that we are all servant of Krsna, and our only business is to serve Krsna. Divya-jnana. This is divya-jnana. It is not difficult at all. Simply we have… We have become servant of so many things–servant of society, servant of community, servant of country, servant of wife, servant of children, servant of dog and so many. “Now let me become servant of Krsna.” This is divya-jnana. Diksa. Diksa means from this divya-jnana. That is di. And ksa means ksapayati, expands.

When at the stage of Madhyama Adhikari one is RECEPIENT of THAT Diksa in the HEART from SRILA PRABHUPADA he becomes a SERVANT OF KRSNA. He relishes a particular mellow (Rasa) of his relationship with Krsna. This point HE SEES KRSNA and HIS RELATIONSHIP (svarupa) is established. So it is not so CHEAP to be Diksa guru.

Madhya 8.83 Talks Between Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Ramananda Raya The purport in presenting this verse necessitates explaining the comparative positions of the transcendental mellows known as santa, dasya, sakhya, vatsalya and madhurya. All these rasas, or mellows, are situated on the transcendental platform. Pure devotees take shelter of one of them and thus progress in spiritual life. Actually one can take shelter of such spiritual mellows only when one is completely uncontaminated by material attachment. When one is completely free from material attachment, the feelings of the transcendental mellows are awakened in the heart of the devotee. That is svarupa-siddhi, the perfection of one’s eternal relationship with the Supreme Lord. Svarupa-siddhi, the eternal relationship with the Supreme Lord, may be situated in one of the transcendental mellows.

Note: When Krsna is TRANSFERRED FROM Pure devotees HEART to another Pure devotee then there is DIKSA. Divya jnana revealtion of ones CONSTITUTIONAL positon Svarupa is UNDERSTOOD. This may take many many many births — NOT so cheap. This is why In Guru Puja to Srila Prabhupada we sing Janme janme prabhu sei:

760805BG.PAR Lectures Prabhupada: Yes, that arrangement will be done, you go on with your business. We are singing this song daily. Why do you forget? Cakhu-dan dilo jei **janme janme prabhu sei**. ONE WHO HAS OPENED THE EYES, **HE’LL REMAIN MY MASTER LIFE AFTER LIFE**.

Note: Srila Prabhupada is WITH US TO GUIDE US through difficult journey of transmigration cycle to attaining Back to Godhead IF we follow him. Bilvamangal Thakura’s Spiritual master came thru a prostitute to deliver him so Srila Prabhupada is also SO POWERFUL to help us:

SB 3.15.24 P Description of the Kingdom of God IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO GO BACK TO GODHEAD IN ONE LIFE, but in the human form one should at least understand the goal of life and begin Krsna consciousness.

Note: A MADHYAMA-ADHIKARI HAS RECEIVED SPIRITUAL INITIATION FROM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER AND HAS BEEN FULLY ENGAGED BY HIM IN THE TRANSCENDENTAL LOVING SERVICE OF THE LORD.** THIS IS DIKSA**.

Antya 4.192 T Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri:

DĪKṢĀ-KĀLE bhakta kare ātma-samarpaṇa sei-kāle kṛṣṇa tāre kare ātma-sama

“At the time of initiation, when a devotee fully surrenders unto the service of the Lord, Kṛṣṇa accepts him to be as good as Himself.

Antya 4.193 Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri: “When the devotee’s body is thus transformed into spiritual existence, the devotee, in that transcendental body, renders SERVICE to the lotus feet of the Lord.

Antya 4.194 Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri: “‘The living entity who is subjected to birth and death, when he gives up all material activities dedicating his life to Me for executing My order, and thus acts according to My direction, AT THAT TIME HE REACHES THE PLATFORM OF IMMORTALITY, AND BECOMES FIT TO ENJOY THE SPIRITUAL BLISS OF EXCHANGE OF LOVING MELLOWS WITH ME.’

NoI 5: In order to intelligently apply the sixfold loving reciprocations mentioned in the previous verse, one must select proper persons with careful discrimination. Srila Rupa Gosvami therefore advises that we should meet with the Vaisnavas in an appropriate way, according to their particular status. In this verse he tells us how to deal with three types of devotees–the kanistha-adhikari, madhyama-adhikari and uttama-adhikari.

The kanistha-adhikari is a neophyte who has received the hari-nama initiation from the spiritual master and is trying to chant the holy name of Krsna. One should respect such a person within his mind as a kanistha-vaisnava.

A MADHYAMA-ADHIKARI HAS RECEIVED SPIRITUAL INITIATION FROM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER AND HAS BEEN FULLY ENGAGED BY HIM IN THE TRANSCENDENTAL LOVING SERVICE OF THE LORD. The madhyama-adhikari should be considered to be situated MIDWAY in devotional service.

The uttama-adhikari, or highest devotee, is one who is very advanced in devotional service. An uttama-adhikari is not interested in blaspheming others, his heart is completely clean, and he has attained the realized state of unalloyed Krsna consciousness. According to Srila Rupa Gosvami, the association and service of such a maha-bhagavata, or perfect Vaisnava, are most desirable.s to act for everyone’s welfare.

Note: in this Srila Prabhupada makes a point of Initiation as a formality this is different from Madhyama Adhikaris receiving Diksa

761016iv.cha Conversation Interviewer:  Interviewer: What is the procedure of the movement? Do you initiate yourself all the disciples or do your other disciples also do that?  PrabhupadaWell, initiation or no initiation, first thing is knowledge. (break) …knowledge. Initiation is formality. Just like you go to a school for knowledge, and admission is formality. That is not very important thing. Read the rest of this entry →

Bogus gurus-all you wanted to know-SP

August 18, 2013 in Articles, Damaghosa Dasa

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Hare Krsna to all
Pranams
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
 
Below we have two separate articles I compiled over time. And they both go  together
very well. The first one Srila Prabhupada explains a few,  very important points”
 
1.accept a guru who is infallible
2.if you dont get a qualified guru, then everything is bogus.
3.if you dont find such a guru, that means Krsna is not pleased with  you
or you are not serious enough.
4. guru must be accepted from highest order-paramahamsa order
5. who has been cheated by bogus gurus? He says “practically  everyone”
 
The second section deals with these points:
1. if one receives a mantra from a bogus guru-it has no effect
2.not only is this mantra useless, but your deity worship is the same
3.series of quotes which explain how the bogus guru AND his disciples go to  hell
 
Hare Krsna
Damaghosa das
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■761003SB.VRN                    Lectures                   214022/530501 guru… Sisyas te ‘ham sadhi mam prapannam: “Now, Krsna, I  accept You as my guru. Not as friend.” Because friendly talking is useless  waste of time. He accepted Him as guru. When guru speaks, you cannot  argue. That is not the process. You should accept a guru who is  infallible. Otherwise it is useless. He accepted guru Krsna because Krsna  is infallible. If we accept guru, a bogus guru, then it is no  benefit. Guru means Krsna’s representative. Not that  everyone can be guru.  

 
720911rc.arl                 Conversations                 332063/530501 Prabhupada: Just like Dhruva Maharaja.He was advised by  his mother that “If you go to the forest you can see God.” So he went there. But  when he was very serious, then Krsna sent him Narada Muni. So if you are  actually serious about Krsna, then Krsna will send you some of His  representative and he will take charge of you. That is the process. If you  do not find a guru, that means Krsna is not yet pleased, either you are not  serious.
 
720629rc.sd                  Conversations                 331324/530501 Devotee: What determines, Srila Prabhupada, if one is  serious or one is not serious? What makes one… Prabhupada: Well,  this seriousness comes after many, many births. It is also not so easy. Rupa  Gosvami says, tatra laulyam api mulyam ekalam janma-koti-sukrtair na  labhyate. He wrote a verse, krsna-bhakti-rasa-bhavita matih kriyatam yadi  kuto ‘pi labhyate: “The krsna-bhakti, Krsna consciousness, this thing, if you  can purchase somewhere, just immediately purchase it.”  Krsna-bhakti-rasa-bhavita matih kriyatam: “Just purchase.” Yadi kuto ‘pi  labhyate. First of all, if you want to purchase, the things must be  available. Yadi kuto. Therefore kuto ‘pi, “If it is available, immediately  purchase.” Then next question is, “What is the value? What is the price I  have to pay?” Then he said, tatra laulyam ekalam mulyam, “Simply your  serious eagerness to have it. That is the price.” “Oh, that I can have  very easily.” “No.” Janma-koti-sukrtair na labhyate: “That laulyam,  that seriousness, is not obtained after thousands of years’  pious activities.” It is so difficult. Janma-koti-sukrtair na  labhyate. People are acting piously, but that kind of seriousness is  not available even after executing pious activities for thousands  of lives. So that seriousness is also very difficult, to become  very
serious that “In this life I shall finish my business and go  home, back to home, back to Godhead.” Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan  mam prapadyate. Krsna says, “After many, many births, when actually  one becomes in knowledge, he surrenders unto Me.”

Have a bogus guru ? then bogus arcana seva as well

August 16, 2013 in Articles, Damaghosa Dasa

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Hare Krsna to all
Pranams
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
 
Continuing along the way with exposing bogus gurus and their followers, we  here below have
 a very conclusive statement by Srila Prabhupada where he clearly  explains that if one has a bogus
guru, then that persons “deity worship” is also bogus.
 
Hare Krsna
 
Damaghosa das
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701223SB.SUR                    Lectures                 
Devotee  (3): In regard to worshiping arca-vigraha form, you have explained that  if one receives a mantra from a spiritual master who is not bona  fide, that mantra has no effect. So I would like to ask  if one is worshiping a Deity and his spiritual master is not bona fide, so  that Deity cannot be considered the Supreme Lord? Prabhupada: Well, first  of all, thing is if the spiritual master is not bona fide, how his  mantra can be bona fide? Your statement is contradictory. If you  say the spiritual master is not bona fide, then how his mantra becomes bona  fide? If he is bona fide, then his mantra is bona fide. Devotee (3):  Then why is he giving instruction to worship the Deity? If the spiritual  master is not bona fide, then is the Deity also not bona fide? Prabhupada:  I do not follow. What does he say? Tamala Krsna: His idea is that if one  receives a mantra from a spiritual master, if the spiritual master is not  bona fide… Prabhupada: Then there is no question of mantra.  There is no question of worshiping Deity. These are all bogus  things. If you are not… Just like here is a young medical man.  If he has not received instruction from a bona fide medical college, so what  is the value of his medical, being… That is… What is called? What is the  technical name? Devotee (4): Quack. Prabhupada: Quack! (laughter)  (pronounces like “quark”) Devotees: Quack. Prabhupada: A quack is not a  medical man, however he may show all red bottles, white bottles. There is a  Bengali proverb, naj jal yac curi tini ei daktar.(?) One stethoscope, naj(?),  and some bottles, jala, and talking all nonsense, he becomes a doctor. That  means the quack doctor, not a… Qualified doctor, he knows what is what. So  naj jal yac curi tini ei daktar(?). In Bengali they say. And mostly  in villages they go on like that. But of course, they have got  some experience. I know in Allahabad there was a doctor, Kabhir, a  Dr. Kabhir. And because in my previous household life I was a chemist  and druggist, I was supplying medicine, so he was my customer. So he  had that… This Dr. Kabhir was a compounder. Later on he practiced. So  he had very, very big prac… He was my biggest customer. He  was purchasing medicine like anything. But he had experience. He  learned from an experienced doctor. He cannot be called a bogus,  because whatever he learned, he was… But generally, one who is not a  bona
fide doctor, he is called a quack. So anything, experience required, not  that you have to go to the medical college. If you are trained under a bona  fide doctor, then also you can get the quality of a doctor.  Similarly, the whole thing is tad-vijnanartham sa  gurum evabhigacchet. One should go to the bona fide spiritual master  to learn this transcendental science.
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Follow bogus guru-you  go to hell

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Some qualificat​ions of a bona fide spiritual master

December 19, 2012 in Articles, Damaghosa Dasa

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Hare Krsna to all

Pranams

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

 

Because it is Kali yuga, the age of quarrel and  hypocrisy, it is very very easy for one

who desires spiritual life to become cheated. He or she  will be cheated by practically

everyone who poses as a spiritualist. This is not my  opinion, but the words of

Srila Prabhupada, the Acarya or Guru for the worldwide  Hare Krsna Movement.

 

He often would tell us that if  you don’t know what gold looks like and someone offers you

pyrite (imitation gold)  and wants to sell it to you, then because you don’t actually know  what

real gold is, you will be  cheated. Therefore it is incumbent upon every aspiring spiritualist, to

make him or herself familiar with  the terms of “real gold”. That very valuable information is to follow.

 

This article is a follow up to the previous one I just  sent out yesterday, entitled “The process of accepting a bona fide  guru”.

 

Hare Krsna

Damaghosa das

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A First class person wants to make his life spiritually  perfect.

A Second class person wants great riches by political or  business means

A Third class person wants riches by industry or  mercantile work

A Fourth class person wants only to fill the  belly.

 

Some Qualifications of bona fide guru

 

“UNLESS ONE IS UNDER THE SHELTER OF A REALIZED SPIRITUAL  MASTER, HIS UNDERSTANDING OF THE SUPREME IS SIMPLY FOOLISHNESS.”   TLC.

 

SOME OF THE QUALIFICATIONS OF A BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL  MASTER.

 

1)      Above the 4 defects-mistakes, illusion, imperfect senses,  cheating.

2)      When a devotee is perfectly qualified in chanting the Transcendental  vibration of the Holy Names, he is quite fit to become  SM and deliver all the people of the  world. (TLC)

3)      The guru must be situated on the top most platform of devotional service.  There are 3 classes of devotees and the guru must be accepted from the top most  class. When one has attained the top most position of maha bhagavata, he is to  be accepted as a guru and worshipped exactly like Hari, the Personality of  Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of guru. CC  Mad24.330

4)      Since one cannot visually experience the presence of the supersoul, He  appears before us as a liberated devotee. Such a SM is none other that Krsna  Himself. CC Ant 5.171

5)      When a pure devotee speaks, he speaks perfectly. How is this? His speech  is managed by Krsna Himself within the heart.”

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The process of accepting a bona fide guru-SP

December 19, 2012 in Articles, Damaghosa Dasa

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Hare Krsna to all
Pranams
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Below we have summarized a few lectures by Srila Prabhupada where he nicely  explains
who will find a real guru, and how to determine who is a real guru.
He says-
1. accept a guru who is infallible
2.If you dont get a qualified guru, then everything is bogus
3.if you dont find such a guru, that means Krsna is not pleased or your not  serious
4.guru must be accepted from highest order- paramahamsa
5.who has been cheated by bogus gurus? He says-“Practically everyone”
Hare Krsna
Damaghosa das
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761003SB.VRN                    Lectures                  … Sisyas te ‘ham sadhi mam prapannam: “Now, Krsna, I accept You as my  guru. Not as friend.” Because friendly talking is useless waste of time. He  accepted Him as guru. When guru speaks, you cannot argue. That is not the  process. You should accept a guru who is infallible. Otherwise it  is useless. He accepted guru Krsna because Krsna is infallible. If we accept guru, a bogus guru, then it is no benefit. Guru means  Krsna’s representative. Not that everyone can be  guru.  
720911rc.arl                 Conversations                Prabhupada:  Just like Dhruva Maharaja. He was advised by his mother  that “If you go to the forest you can see God.” So he went there. But when he  was very serious, then Krsna sent him Narada Muni. So if you are actually  serious about Krsna, then Krsna will send you some of His representative and  he will take charge of you. That is the process. If you do not  find a guru, that means Krsna is not yet pleased, either you are not  serious.
720629rc.sd                  Conversations                Devotee: What determines, Srila Prabhupada, if one is serious or  one is not serious? What makes one… Prabhupada: Well, this seriousness  comes after many, many births. It is also not so easy. Rupa Gosvami says,  tatra laulyam api mulyam ekalam janma-koti-sukrtair na labhyate. He wrote a  verse, krsna-bhakti-rasa-bhavita matih kriyatam yadi kuto ‘pi labhyate:  “The krsna-bhakti, Krsna consciousness, this thing, if you can  purchase somewhere, just immediately purchase it.”  Krsna-bhakti-rasa-bhavita matih kriyatam: “Just purchase.” Yadi kuto ‘pi  labhyate. First of all, if you want to purchase, the things must be  available. Yadi kuto. Therefore kuto ‘pi, “If it is available, immediately  purchase.” Then next question is, “What is the value? What is the price I  have to pay?” Then he said, tatra laulyam ekalam mulyam, “Simply your  serious eagerness to have it. That is the price.” “Oh, that I can have  very easily.” “No.” Janma-koti-sukrtair na labhyate: “That laulyam,  that seriousness, is not obtained after thousands of years’  pious activities.” It is so difficult. Janma-koti-sukrtair na  labhyate. People are acting piously, but that kind of seriousness is  not available even after executing pious activities for thousands  of lives. So that seriousness is also very difficult, to become  very serious that “In this life I shall finish my business and go  home, back to home, back to Godhead.” Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan  mam prapadyate. Krsna says, “After many, many births, when actually  one becomes in knowledge, he surrenders unto Me.”
761101SB.VRN                    Lectures                     So for that there are so many practices, regulative principles, mentioned  here. The first thing is hamse gurau mayi bhaktyanuvrtya. This is  religion. Adau gurvasrayam. If you do not get a  qualified guru, then everything is bogus. If  you, by good fortune, if you get the association of a guru, qualified hamsa,  paramahamsa… Paramahamsa guru means sannyasi’s last stage is  paramahamsa. Kuticaka, bahudaka, parivrajakacarya, and  paramahamsa, these are the different stages.

Why the iskcon gurus– are bogus

September 24, 2012 in Articles, Yasoda nandana Dasa

 

 

Hare  Krsna to all-
Srila  Prabhupada quotes below compiled by Yasoda nandan das
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Srila  Prabhupada explained that His Guru Maharaja never appointed anybody as  acarya.
“…They wanted to create  artificially somebody acarya“,
Note:  The ISKCON GBC artificially created 11  acaryas in March of 1978.
Note:  If  Srila Prabhupada wanted to appoint 11 acaryas [diksa-gurus] for ISKCON, why did  he not directly say?
,,,”He  said so many things, and this point He missed? The  real point? “
Note: Similarly Srila Prabhupada said so  many things in the last few months of 1977, and the real point He  missed?
…”and they insist upon it. They  declared some unfit person to become”…(SPC (BBT 1991) 15.08.76)
Note:  And the GBC misheard, misunderstood, and  misrepresented to the body of ISKCON devotees that 11 had been  “appointed” as acaryas.  And tbey insisted upon it.  And they declared some unfit persons to  become acaryas.
Note:  If His Divine Grace Srila  Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada did not appoint anyone as acarya  [or diksa guru] for His mission, what makes the leading secretaries of His  Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada think that He would appoint one  acarya or a group of acaryas for His Mission, in direct contradiction of His  criticism of this whole concept in August of 1976.
Srila Prabhupada  conversation, August 16, 1976, Bombay, India
Srila  Prabhupada explains that there is no record that HDGBSTP nominated “any acarya” after him
“… I have also read specifically your  articles on the matter of acaryas, wherein on the 14th paragraph I see the  acarya shall be entitled to nominate in in writing his successive  acarya.But we do not find any record where our  Srila Prabhupada nominated any acarya after Him. Different persons have interpreted on  this point, and everyone of our Godbrothers are acting as acarya, so this is a  controversial point which I do not wish to enter into while we are proposing for  co-operation…”
Srila Prabhupada letter 1969 (SPL (VI  1987) 69.8.38)
Note:  Where is the actual verifiable record  that Srila Prabhupada [HDG ACBSP]  “nominated any acarya after Him” ?
Srila  Prabhupada defines obedience. Srila Prabhupada – “I may say many things to you, but  when I say something directly to you, you do it. Your first duty is to do  that,you cannot argue -‘Sir, you said to me  do like this before’, no that is not your duty, what I say to you now you do it,  that is obedience you cannot argue.” (SP S.B. Lecture, 14/4/75,  Hyderabad)
Guru  cannot be self-made Guru must be  authorized “Guru cannot be self-made. No. There is  no such single instance throughout the whole Vedic literature. And nowadays, so  many rascals, they are becoming guruwithout any authority. That is not guru.You must be authorised. Evam parampara-praptam imam ra… As  soon as the parampara is….kalena yogo nasta parantapa, immediately finished.  The spiritual potency finished.You can dress like a guru, you can talk  big, big words, but it will never be effective.” (Srila Prabhupada’s Lecture, February  27th 1977, Mayapur, India)
Guru  must be authorized by the bona fide Guru.Self-made guru cannot be guru. He  must be authorized by the bona fide guru. Then he’s guru. This is the  fact…Similarly, bona fide guru meanshe must be authorized by the superior  guru.” (SP NOD Lecture,  October 31. 1972)
Guru  must be authorized by his predecessor spiritual master. “One should take initiation from a bona  fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who isauthorised by his predecessor spiritual  master. This is called diksa-vidhana.” (S.B. 4.8.54, purport)
Guru  must be ordered by his guru. Prabhupada: Try to understand. Don’t go  very speedily.A guru can become guru when he’s ordered  by his guru. That’s  all. Otherwise nobody
Result of Gaudiya Matha’s attempt to become more than  guru. “Why this Gaudiya Matha  failed?Because they tried to become more than  guru.  [.]They declared some  unfit person to become acarya. Then another man came, then another, acarya,  another acarya.” (Srila  Prabhupada Room Conversation, 16/8/76)
Position of the actual  guru. “An actual guru always remains the  servant of his own guru and the predecessor acaryas.Attempting to become a guru without  one’s own guru’s order is a materialistic ambition. Accepting followers and  circumventing one’s own guru is offensive.” >>> Ref. VedaBase => MGM  22-11: A Lost Son Visits Home
Srila Prabhupada explains how he  became the leader of the KC movement. Guru must be ordered by His  guru. “Indian man: When did you become  spiritual the leader of Krsna Consciousness? Srila Prabhupada: What is that? Brahmananda: He is asking when did you  become the spiritual leader of Krsna Consciousness? Srila Prabhupada:When my Guru Maharaja ordered me. This  is the guru parampara. Indian man: Did it… Srila Prabhupada: Try to understand.  Don’t go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he is ordered by his  guru. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.  ”     (SP Bg. Lecture, 28/10/75
Guru must be  authorized Guru cannot be  self-made. Position of gurus without  authority. “Guru cannot  be self-made. No. There is no such single instance throughout the whole Vedic  literature.And nowadays, so many rascals, they are  becoming guru without any authority. That is not guru. You must be  authorised. Evam  parampara-praptam imam ra… As soon as the parampara is…kalena yogo nasta  parantapa, immediately finished. The spiritual potency finished. You can dress  like a guru, you can talk big, big words, but it will never be effective.”  (Lecture, February 27th 1977, Mayapur, India)
Guru must be authorized by the  bona fide guru. “Self-made guru cannot be  guru.He must be authorized by the bona fide  guru. Then he’s guru.  This is the fact…Similarly, bona fide guru means he must be authorized by the  superior guru.” (SP NOD Lecture, October 31. 1972)
Guru must be authorized  person. “Thereforeguru must be authorized  person, not that  bhumi-phala-guru. No. I am guru,” no. You cannot become guru unless you are  agent to draw out the mercy water from the ocean of mercy of Krsna. That is  guru. And therefore a guru is not an ordinary person. He is the representative,  bona fide representative of Krsna.” (SB Lecture,November 30, 1976)
Guru cannot impart instructions  without being authorized “The  schoolmasters in the modern days are paid agents for giving some information,  but the spiritual master is not a paid agent.Nor can he impart instruction without  being authorized.”  (SB:2.9.43, purport)
“A Guru can be Guruwhen he is ordered by his  Guru. That’s all.  Otherwise nobody can become Guru.” (SP Bg. Lecture, 28th October 1975)
Srila Prabhupada predicts what  happens when the acarya disappears? Unfortunately, when the acarya  disappears, rogues and nondevotees take advantage and immediately begin to  introduce unauthorized principles in the name of so-called svamis, yogis,  philanthropists, welfare workers and so on.   SB 4.28.48
Do not make addition,  alteration. Results of making additions and  alterations. Many times they give me very great  credit that I have done wonderful. Yes, I have done wonderful. But what is the  reason? Because I am not a rascal. I speak what Krsna has spoken. That’s all.  Very easy. Everyone can do that. Not only I. Any of you, you can do this. Simply  speak what is…, what Krsna has said. That’s all.Don’t make  addition, alteration.Then you become  rascal. Immediately you become rascal. (Srimad-Bhagavatam Lecture 1.5.29  Vrndavana, August 10, 1974) Danger of concocting Prabhupada: Ara na koriha mane  asa.Don’t  concoct. Don’t you sing daily? Ara na koriha mane asa. Don’t manufacture  ideas. That  is dangerous.  Caitanya Mahaprabhu teaches by His example. Guru more murkha dekhi’ karila  sasana. Caitanya Mahaprabhu said to Prakasananda Sarasvati that “My spiritual master saw Me fool number  one, so he haschastised Me, that ‘Don’t try to read Vedanta; chant Hare  Krsna 760623gc.nv Conversations  428848/530501 Go to right person who has  seen. Do not make your own  interpretration Prabhupada:Therefore Krsna says, tad viddhi  pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya: “One who knows, go and understand from them,  from the guru.” Don’t make your interpretation, rascal. You shall remain  always arascal. Then  what is the use of all these verses? If it is so easy to understand Krsna  then why Krsna says, tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya: “Then you  will understand. Go to the right person who has seen.” .  751210mw.vrn Conversations  405334/530501