“So they may kill me also”—SP

December 20, 2022 in Articles by Damaghosa dasa

May 3 1976 Honolulu conversations

Prabhupāda: This is our position. Gradually they will show Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. In India also, although India’s… They will want to crush down this movementSo this will be up to Him. Kṛṣṇa or Kṛṣṇa’s movement, the same thing. And Kṛṣṇa was attempted to be killed by Kaṁsa class of men and his company, the demons. So it will be there; it is already there. Don’t be disappointed, because that is the meaning that it is successful. Kṛṣṇa’s favor is there, because Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa’s movement is not different, identical. So as Kṛṣṇa was attempted to be killed, many, many years before He appeared… At eighth child, if the mother produces child yearly, still ten years, eight years before His birth, the mother was to be attempted to be killedSo there may be attempt like that. And Lord Jesus Christ was killedSo they may kill me also.
Siddhasvarūpa: I don’t think that is possible.
Prabhupāda:No, I mean to say, I am not so important man. But it is the, this is the way of the law. If we become weak by factioning, then that is not good. We must be strong and… But you do not expect that this movement will be accepted. In India the so-called yogis, Rama Krishna Mission—they are also being afraid of. There are so many… But if we remain sincere, even we are feeble, new-born, nobody can kill us. That is a fact. Just like Kṛṣṇa when He was three months old, attempt was made by Putanā to kill Him, but the Putanā was killed. A big demon, gigantic, six miles long, and what is killed by a small child playing on the…, sucking breast and sucking life. That is KṛṣṇaSo the other day I have explained that by guru, he is accepted as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You have typed it?
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Go on. Yes, arcye viṣṇauśilā-dhīr guruṣunaramatiḥ. Narakī, if anyone thinks arcavigraha, the Deities as made of stone, made of earth, or made of something material, and guru, the spiritual master, “He is an ordinary man”—these are forbidden. So why guru is to be considered sākṣād dharitvena samasta-śāstrair **, exactly (like) the Supreme Personality of Godhead? That reason is given there. That reason is that he is giving the Kṛṣṇa knowledge; therefore he is as good as Kṛṣṇa. Even though his family members or his friend thinking, “Oh, he has now become guru,” still he should be considered the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That reason also given there, that even Kṛṣṇa was taken as ordinary man, but does it mean that He has become ordinary? Similarly any…, our movement, it may appear just like other movement, but because the movement is giving Kṛṣṇa, that means it is as good as Kṛṣṇa. This is the example. Aj�āyaha�a(follow the order). It may appear to others… And there are so many movements, and the hippies have taken another say(?), but it is not that. It is actually KṛṣṇaSo long it adheres to the principle, “I’ll enjoy, I’ll be unaccepted(?).” Otherwise it is ordinary movement. This same man, he’s guru, so long he gives the real knowledge of Kṛṣṇa. And the same man, he’s ordinary man, as soon as he cannot give. Same thing, just like a stone doll, when it is worshiped according to the regulative principles—Kṛṣṇa. And the same doll, kept in the sculptor’s showroom, it is stone. So if we keep our movement pure, then you are as strong as Kṛṣṇa.And as soon as you deviate from it, immediately, ordinary. This is the secret. Now it is up to us, how to keep it pure. Then no enemy can kill us. Nobody can kill you. That purity is wanted, then it will… So what is there difficulty? Their purity to kill him(?). Follow the rules and regulations, worship the Deity, and chant HareKṛṣṇamantra, as you have given, then you will remain as strong as Kṛṣṇa. And if we manufacture some idea also, that is no good. Kṛṣṇa cannot be manufactured; Kṛṣṇa is Kṛṣṇa. You cannot manufacture another form competitor of Kṛṣṇa. That is no good. Then failure. Just like the, your one competitor came to, even in the lifetime of KṛṣṇaPauṇḍraka.
Prabhupāda: With artificial four hands. You know that? (laughs) That is no (indistinct). This movement is actually the real movement to raise the human society. And if we create factions, then the movement will be less strong and will not act very (indistinct). (pause) 
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Some Conclusions-There are so many important things Srila Prabhupada mentions in this one short conversation they are worth high lighting again.
…”They will want to crush down this movement. So this will be up to Him. Kṛṣṇa or Kṛṣṇa’s movement, the same thing. And Kṛṣṇa was attempted to be killed by Kaṁsa class of men and his company, the demons. So it will be there; it is already there. Don’t be disappointed, because that is the meaning that it is successful But you do not expect that this movement will be accepted. 
NOTE– in this above statement Prabhupada is telling us the demoniac who are everywhere, want to stop this movement. But their attempts to stop us means we are already successful because they are noticing the sankirtan movement by kicking back
…”Same thing, just like a stone doll, when it is worshiped according to the regulative principles—Kṛṣṇa. And the same doll, kept in the sculptor’s showroom, it is stone.

NOTE-here Prabhupada is explaining the  principle of bona fide deity worship which is very similar to bona fide spiritual master worship-both must be authorized otherwise, “its just a stone” in the sculptor’s showroom
…”So long it adheres to the principle, “I’ll enjoy, I’ll be unaccepted(?).” Otherwise it is ordinary movement.
NOTE-this one he warns us not to go move about the karmis, religionists, scholars worlds etc just for their acceptance. We dont care if they like KC or not, we care only for guru and God.
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Prabhupada: No, we don’t care for Indians and Europeans. We  care for Krsna, that’s all. I didn’t care for anyone. I simply care …  s protection, that’s all. That is wanted. Guru-krsna-krpaya  paya bhakti-lata-bija. We want two favours. One from guru, one  from Krsna.That’s all. We don’t want anyone’s  favour. 
…”So if we keep our movement pure, then you are as strong as Kṛṣṇa. And as soon as you deviate from it, immediately, ordinary. This is the secret. Now it is up to us, how to keep it pure. Then no enemy can kill us.
NOTE-and now we have reaped the results of disobediance to his orders. What was once a 100% transcendental movement has now become similar to what Prabhupada used to call “Churchianity”– is now KC.
…”Even though his family members or his friend thinking, “Oh, he has now become guru,” still he should be considered the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
NOTE-Prabhupada used to talk to us about how his Godbrothers used to criticize him as a rotten householder and beneath them. But the old saying-judge by the result comes here into play.
 
Feb 3 1976…..
Bhavānanda: You are the only real resident of Bhāratavarṣa. No one else has fulfilled that…
Prabhupāda: At least historically it be proved. [break] …cause of envy of my Godbrothers. I was known. Although they knew that Prabhupāda liked me very much, because I am gṛhastha, I was known as pacā-gṛhastha. Pacā-gṛhastha means a rotten gṛhastha. And now they say, “This gṛhastha has come out more than us? What is this?” 
“And Lord Jesus Christ was killedSo they may kill me also”
 
NOTE-what more to say?
 
Hare Krsna
damaghosa das