Srila Prabhupada setting us straight

August 20, 2020 in Articles by Damaghosa dasa

Hare Krsna-Below is a great example of why I love to read the 37 conversations books with Srila Prabhupada . Every night I fall asleep reading these conversations. He talks  and explains about how there is no happiness here in this material world, how  bogus gurus like Meher baba and Maharishi were cheaters, how the pope and others like him have no conception of real religion, etc etc He says that other than Krsna Consciousness there is no religion at this time in the world.Hare Krsnadamaghosa das——————————-
Oct 20 1975 Johannesburg conversations

Harikeśa: So it’s not possible that anyone’s happy? There is no possibility of anyone being happy.

Prabhupāda: No. One who thinks he is happy, he is number one fool.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Everyone is searching after material happiness.

Prabhupāda: Yes. But there is no happiness.

Harikeśa: What about if one is in the mode of goodness? Maybe one or two…

Prabhupāda: Mode of goodness… If he thinks that he is happy, then he is fool. The mode of goodness means one must know that we cannot be happy here. That is mode of goodness. And if he thinks, “I am happy,” then he is not in mode of goodness. He’s in darkness.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So everyone at present is trying to become happy by this or that activity.

Prabhupāda: They are fools, rascals.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So if everyone accepts that there is no happiness at all to be found in this world…Prabhupāda: Then they are intelligent.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Then what to do?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Tad-vijñānārtham… Therefore you go to guru. Go to Kṛṣṇa.

Devotee (1): Do I have to join your movement to be happy? Can I just take Kṛṣṇa consciousness outside your movement?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Devotee (1): So there is no possibility of me being Kṛṣṇa conscious outside your movement.

Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa consciousness can be developed with devotees. Alone it is difficult.

Devotee (1): If I start my own community outside the movement?Prabhupāda: Yes. The community means many devotees.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So you were saying,

Śrīla Prabhupāda, that if there is no happiness and one recognizes it, then he goes to guru.Prabhupāda: Then he must… Just like Arjuna submitted to Kṛṣṇa because he was disturbed. So that is the point where one must approach a guru, how to become happy. That is intelligence. Athāto brahma jijñāsā: “Now inquire about real happiness.”

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So one who is looking for material happiness…

Prabhupāda: He’s a fool.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: …it is very difficult for them to approach guru.Prabhupāda: He is a fool, rascal, blind. Where there is happiness not possible, he is trying to find out happiness. Therefore he is a fool. Which is not possible, if one tries for it, then he is fool.

Harikeśa: But I look around and I see everybody else enjoying.

Prabhupāda: Because you are fool, you are seeing like that. That is the proof that you are a fool.

Harikeśa: They all tell me what a great time…

Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa says, duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam [Bg. 8.15], and you are finding out happiness. Then how much fool you are. The best authority says that “This is a place of suffering,” and you are finding out happiness. So how much fool you are, it is very difficult to estimate. (laughter) Therefore Vedic knowledge is perfect. Now just like there is signboard, “No admission.” So who is the fool, create some trouble by entering into it? He’s a fool. If there is signboard, “There is no admission,” and if somebody enters to create some trouble, he is not a fool? So Kṛṣṇa says, “There is no happiness,” and if somebody searches happiness, he is not a fool? That is… Therefore Kṛṣṇa consciousness required, that he gets perfect knowledge from Kṛṣṇa. He has no trouble. Kṛṣṇa said, “There is no happiness,” and if somebody thinks, “All right, although Kṛṣṇa said, let me try for it,” then he is a fool.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Similarly, they say that they can cure disease, but it’s impossible.

Prabhupāda: How it is possible? The disease is suffering, and this place is suffering, so where is the question of curing disease? Kṛṣṇa consciousness means intelligence. We are guided by Kṛṣṇa, so there is no trouble. Everything is all right. That is Kṛṣṇa conscious. And as soon as you make experiment like fools and rascal, then you are doomed.

Harikeśa: “Well, my guru, Meher Baba, tells me, ‘Don’t worry. Be happy.’ “Prabhupāda: Then he is another fool, another rascal, mūḍha.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: He didn’t even speak. He didn’t speak for so many years.

Prabhupāda: Who?

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: This Meher Baba.

Prabhupāda: Oh, he was your guru? (laughs)

Harikeśa: He says, “Don’t worry. Be happy, and just love me.”

Prabhupāda: Just see. And he died of motor accident.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: He died in motor accident?

Harikeśa: Yes. He was killed by a car.

Prabhupāda: “Don’t worry, I am going to die by motor accident. Don’t worry. Don’t worry. I am going to die by motor accident.” All these rasals, they have misled the whole world. What is this raised ground?Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: This is where they hit the golf ball from, raised up. This is the men’s teeing part. And the ladies’ teeing part, they tee off from here, little bit shorter.

Prabhupāda: No equal right.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: No equal rights.

Harikeśa: Well, all the swamis are saying that all you have to do is just be happy. It’s just a state of being. You just have to think happiness.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That we also say, but you must know how to get happiness. That is required. Happiness is the aim of everyone. But how to get happiness, permanent, that is knowledge.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is a devotee seeking mental happiness as well? Is the devotee searching after…

Prabhupāda: A devotee does not seek anything except service of Kṛṣṇa. He does not seek anything separate. He simply wants to serve Kṛṣṇa. That’s all. Anyābhilāṣita śūnyam [Brs. 1.1.11]. Making zero all other desires, that, he is devotee. If he is going to Kṛṣṇa for some happiness, he is not a devotee.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: [break] …Vedic culture, there is descriptions of many demigods, and the karmīs, they would generally worship these different demigods for material benefits. Why didn’t they just try to get the material benefits without worshiping the demigods, like they are doing today?

Prabhupāda: What is that?

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Today people are making money and trying to enjoy material life...

Prabhupāda: Who is making money? Who is making money?

Harikeśa: The government. It is printing it up.

Prabhupāda: Do you think everyone is making money?

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So it’s a big illusion? It’s a big illusion?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Everyone simply working hard like asses. That’s all. This is their happiness. Just like the hog, he’s working very hard to eat stool, and he is thinking happy. He is getting fatty. Do you think to work hard day and night and eat stool is happiness?

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: No.

Prabhupāda: But he is thinking; therefore he is getting fat. You generally find the pigs are fatty because they think, “Oh, I am very happy.” Yes. One man gets fatty when he thinks that “I am very happy.” You know that?

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: No.

Prabhupāda: This is psychology. When he thinks, “I am very happy,” he gets fatty.

Harikeśa: But if I think I’m happy, isn’t that enough?

Prabhupāda: They think. That is another thing. But you do not know what is happiness. These rascals, they do not think that what is happiness. Suppose I have arranged for so-called happiness. Then I am going to die also. Who will enjoy this?

Harikeśa: But I’m not worried about it.

Prabhupāda: That is the proof that you are a rascal. “Fools rush in where angels dare not.” That is the proof. The hog is thinking, “I am very happy.” Therefore he is hog. He is not a human being. Hog proves that he is hog by thinking that “I am very happy. I am getting fatty.” [break]

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: …suffer. Kṛṣṇa says, duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam [Bg. 8.15]. That’s a fact. So why is it that people are thinking they are happy?Prabhupāda: That I have repeatedly said. Therefore, because they are thinking like that, therefore they are rascals. That is the proof. There is no happiness; still, he is thinking, “I am happy.” That is the proof that he’s a rascal. [break]

Harikeśa: Well, we can admit that we’re not happy all the time, but what is the meaning of happiness without distress? If there’s no distress, how can I be happy?

Prabhupāda: So that is material knowledge. In order to taste happiness, you have to suffer. That is material happiness. And happiness, pure, is spiritual happiness. Here, in order to enjoy happiness, you have to suffer; then you can taste. Therefore that is not real happiness. [break]

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Such standard of religion the Western countries are not used to.

Prabhupāda: Where is religion in Western countries? There is no religion. All bogus thing. Religion means to surrender to God. Then where is God, and whom to surrender? They surrender to senses, that’s all. So unless there is God, what is the meaning of religion? That is not religion. They have created something, civilized human society. There must be some religion. Just like aristocracy means he must have a good dog, that’s all. There is no religion in the world except Kṛṣṇa consciousness. All bogus.

Harikeśa: What is the Pope doing, then? (laughter)

Prabhupāda: He’s another big bogus man. The Pope’s assistant died in the prostitute’s house.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: In Paris.

Harikeśa: The Pope comes out on his balcony, and thousands of people cheer and scream.

Prabhupāda: The same thing, that small animals praising the big animals, that’s all. At least they say something about God. They are not zero, but they have no clear conception of God.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: But everyone is thinking that their religion is the best. Even the Christian may be ignorant, even the Jew may be ignorant, anyone—doesn’t matter—they’re thinking that theirs is the best.

Prabhupāda: That is the proof that everyone is fool. Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānāḥ [SB 7.5.31]. First of all… Therefore we have to understand from Bhāgavata that what is real religion. Real religion means love of Godhead. So instead of love of Godhead, the love of doghead is increasing. So where is religion? Everybody should keep a dog and serve him, and where is God?

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Well, they think that God is in the other world, so that in this world we can serve our wife and family, and when we go to the other world we’ll serve God.

Prabhupāda: Then God is separated from this world. How much imperfect knowledge it is. God has created this world, and He has nothing to do with. Just see. They say God created this world, but He has nothing to do with it.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: That’s a very imperfect understanding.

Prabhupāda: [break] …you were with Meher Baba?

Harikeśa: No, I was never with Meher Baba. (laughter) I just bring up all these points just so you can defeat them. I was with Maharishi.

Prabhupāda: Maharishi? Oh. You got his mantra? How much you paid for that?

Harikeśa: Thirty-five dollars. (laughter)

Prabhupāda: And what was the mantra?

Harikeśa: “Aing.”Prabhupāda: “Aing”? That’s all?

Harikeśa: That’s all. And they told me, “Never tell anybody else, ’cause if you tell somebody else the whole thing is ruined.”

Prabhupāda: Oh, you are also ruined? No, he is also ruined? No?

Harikeśa: I don’t know.

Prabhupāda: Everything ruined means he also ruined.

Harikeśa: For you.

Prabhupāda: No. Yes, that Maharsi Baba. Because he gave the mantra, so if you disclose it, everything is ruined including himself. He is also ruined.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: He can’t sell any more mantras.

Harikeśa: When I joined the movement I met many other devotees who also had mantras. So I said, “What were your mantras?” They were telling us we all had different mantras. And everybody had the same mantras. It was the same thing. Everyone had the same thing.

Prabhupāda: Just see how he was cheating you.Indian man (2): I purchased mine.(?)

Prabhupāda: This is such a great cheater, and he has opened university? Just see.

Harikeśa: I used to ask, “What is the goal of all this?” And they would always say, “You can’t ask that now. You won’t understand. In the future we’ll tell you.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: “After we have your money.”

Harikeśa: They keep it very mystical so that you keep thinking in the future you’ll get something.Prabhupāda: The same as the scientists, same.Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Actually, Prabhupāda, by your mercy we’ve been able to see that the whole world is simply cheaters and cheated.

Prabhupāda: That’s all. [break]

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Eucalyptus trees?

Prabhupāda: This is eucalyptus.

Harikeśa: Not like in San Francisco, though, Los Angeles. Once they gave the Maharishi four big pills of LSD.Prabhupāda: Who?

Harikeśa: His disciples gave him, Maharishi, four big pills of LSD.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Maharishi?

Harikeśa: Yes. And he just stood there and said nothing happened. So everybody said, “This is proof that he’s already there.”

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Harikeśa: Because he just stood there and said, “Nothing is happening to me,” everybody has figured that he is already there.

Prabhupāda: “There” means where?

Harikeśa: At the ultimate.Prabhupāda: Hell. (laughter)

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yes. [break] Anyone who is thinking that they’re happy is simply a rascal. [break]

Some other conclusions-Regarding this talk about the Maharishi mahesh yogi–I also bought into this scam  in 1969 when in college and paid $35 bucks for his bogus mantra, which as it turns out was the exact same word everybody else got. The night before I was to get it I snuck around the house where it was  supposed to happen thinking this whole thing sounds too good to be true, maybe I will hear them saying something about their scan before I lay down my $35 the next night. But I heard nothing that night and the next night got their “mantra” and when chanting it, I left my gross body and was hovering around in my subtle body. After that happened which surprised me, I thought yes there may be something to this stuff. 
Sometime later I found myself in a remote cabin in the woods, by myself for a month, and one of my reasons for doing that was to simply concentrate on this mantra so called meditation while there. The only thing I got out of it was a massive headache. So I abandoned the whole thing and then later met the devotees who gave me the correct mantra-Hare Krsna !!!
damaghosa das