Who is Independent? Nobody, but most still think they are—SP

November 15, 2018 in Articles by Damaghosa dasa

Who is independent? Nobody? Then why are you thinking Independent?–SP
Nellore Jan 3 1976
Prabhupāda: Trivedi, Mr. Trivedi, yes. So, who is independent? This is our question. Who is independent? Do you know any man who is independent or any animal or any…?
Keśavalāl Trivedi: No.
Prabhupāda: So why they are thinking independently?
Keśavalāl Trivedi: Unless we have got the identity, correct identity, we cannot be independent.
..Prabhupāda: [break] So if you are not independent, what is the value of your thinking independently?
Keśavalāl Trivedi: Absolutely none. None.
Prabhupāda: But everyone is thinking independently.
Keśavalāl Trivedi: Yes. That is māyā. That is the māyā, that which is not.
Prabhupāda: They are making plans, theories, “ism.” What is the value of this?
Keśavalāl Trivedi: Absolutely none.
Prabhupāda: Therefore everything is becoming failure. So preach this truth to the world, that “You are all rascals. Why you are thinking independently?” Huh? “Why I am rascal?” “Because you are thinking independently. That is the proof that you are a rascal.” Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās te ‘pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ [SB 7.5.31]. Īśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhaḥ. And they are thinking independently.
Keśavalāl Trivedi: Baddha we have got, and still we are thinking…
Prabhupāda: Baddha-jīva, every moment he is under the strict laws of nature. Generally they think that…. They speak also. “I think.” Do they not say? “I think,” as if he is independently thinking. What you can think? Hm? Acyutānanda Mahārāja, why do they say, “I think,” “In my opinion”? What is the value of your opinion?
Harikeśa: Well, I have a certain amount of experience, and with my intelligence and my mind and my scientific method, I can put all that together and come out with some practical solution which I can work on.
Prabhupāda: That you cannot, because you are not independent. Uru-damni baddhaḥ. If you are tied hands and legs with strong rope, how you can think of “I shall become free in this way. I shall become free…?” But your hands and legs are tied up, so why do you think foolishly that you shall become free in this way, you shall become free this way? First of all open this, the tightening knot; then you plan that “I shall become…” But there is no such chance. So what is the value of your thinking like that?
Harikeśa: Well, relatively speaking, it’s better to do…
Prabhupāda: That is another foolishness. Because you are so rascal, you do not know that “I cannot move even an inch and I am making plan.” That is the proof that you are a rascal.
Keśavalāl Trivedi: Tena vina tṛṇam api na calati. That is the way.
Harikeśa: But why are people in the capital…
Prabhupāda: Therefore we call them all rascals. That is our confirmation of our statement. Mūḍhas, you all rascals, without any exception. Hm?

Melbourne April 23 1976
We are pushing this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So because anyone who is in this material world—more or less crazy, madman. Because he doesn’t care for God, therefore he’s crazy. He is completely under the control of God, but still, he has the audacity to say, “No, I don’t believe in god.” Crazy man. So anyone who does not believe in God, he’s a crazy fellow. You can treat him. Everyone is patient.
prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā kartāham iti manyate [Bg. 3.27]
This crazy fellow is fully under the control of material nature, and he’s still thinking that he is independent. That is craziness. Everyone is thinking like that, so everyone is a patient of psychiatrist. How we can declare independence? There is no independence. We are completely dependent on the laws of material nature. Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ. Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam [Bg. 13.9]. This is knowledge. Nobody wants to die, but nature says, “You must die.” Where is your independence? Nobody wants to take birth, enter into the mother’s womb. But you must enter. Nobody wants to become old man. Nature says, “You must become old man.” Nobody wants disease. The nature says, “You must have disease.” So where is your independence? But the crazy fellow says, “I am independent. I think like this.” What is the value of your thinking? You may think in your favor but the nature will not allow you. So everyone is crazy who is declaring independence. He’s a crazy. Then? Any question? Yes, this question is very nice. Anyone who does not believe in God, does not surrender to God, he’s a crazy fellow, that’s all.
Some Conclusions-……”If the shoe fits, then wear it….”
Still pulling things from Krsna’s Gardens-below are a pile of hot chili peppers, and there
are two more plants still out there in the hoop house. We let them air dry, and then use them
throughout the year for chaunces in subjis.