SB class Vol 8 

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… Before the child is born, you don’t find in 

the breast of the mother any drop of milk. See. In a young girl, there 

is no milk in the breast. But as soon as the child is born, 

immediately there is milk. Immediately, spontaneously. This is God’s 

arrangement. Because the child requires food. Just see how God’s 

arrangement is there. Still, we are trying for economic development. 

If a child is born and God’s economic program is so nice, nature’s 

economic program, that immediately the mother is ready with the 

milk… This is economic development. So the same milk is supplied by 

the cow. She’s actually mother, and this rascal civilization is 

killing mother. Mother-killing civilization. Just see. You suck the 

breast of your mother from the beginning of your life, and when she’s 

old if you think, \”Mother is useless burden. Cut its throat,\” is that 

civilization? 

 

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 If you have got enough milk production, you can take, 

break the milk, and you get cheese. And from cheese, if you… We are 

daily doing that. You can make nice preparation, chana. That is very 

nutritious, full of protein. And you can make rasagulla, sandesa, so 

many other preparations from the casein of the cheese. But they do not 

know. Crude civilization, and take a lump of flesh and boil it and 

give little salt and black pepper and eat like animal. This is 

civilization. This is civilization. Just try to understand. You have 

to convince your countrymen that what is this civilization, nonsense 

civilization? Stop this kind of civilization. Learn how to become 

civilized. Don’t claim yourself as civilized man and eating like 

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condition, I’m always very happy\”? Is there anyone? That rascal 

civilization, they cannot understand. They are trying to stop 

miserable condition, but he does not know that miserable condition is 

his body. Just see how foolish (it) is. He does not know that this 

very body is the cause of your miserable condition. They do not know. 

They are trying to improve the condition. How you’ll improve the 

condition? Just like in our Bengal there is a word, jadi jau bange 

kapala jabe sange (?). Just like people are going from this country to 

that to improve economic condition. But it is a common saying that 

\”Wherever you rascal go, your fate will go with you.\” Either you go to 

England or India or here and there… Because people are struggling 

for economic development. But he does not know that I cannot make an 

inch of development beyond the destiny which is already fixed up. 

Already fixed up. 

   Don’t you see that two men, they are working day and night, very 

hard. One man has become all of a sudden millionaire, and another man, 

he has no employment. Why? Why this distinction? Both of them have 

worked hard to improve economic development, but one has become very 

quickly millionaire, another is still struggling. He does not know how 

to eat tomorrow. Why this arrangement? Who has made this arrangement? 

So this is actually study–that you cannot change your fate. Already 

fixed up. The material condition of life, as soon as you get a certain 

type of body, your pains and pleasure already fixed up within the body 

routine work. You cannot make any change. Just like the–I have given 

many times-the pig, he’s destined to eat stool. Therefore he has been 

awarded that type of body. So however you canvass this pig, \”Why you 

are eating the stool? Take this halava,\” he’ll not take. It will not 

take. Because his destiny means he has got that particular type of 

body. So these are finer studies. 

   So according to the body, everyone’s happiness and distress is 

already fixed up. You cannot change it. That is called fate. That is 

called fate. But you can change your fate if you take to Krsna 

consciousness. That is possible. So far your body is concerned 

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 At night our business is to sleep, and to indulge in sex. In this 

way we are wasting time, night. And daytime, diva carthehaya rajan 

kutumba-bharanena va. And in the daytime, we are very busy going this 

side, that side. Why? To get some money, div a ca artha ihaya. 

Desiring where I shall get money? Where I shall get money? Diva 

carthehaya, and as soon as I get money, I spend it, kutumba-bharanena 

va, to maintain our family. So where is time for Krsna consciousness? 

There is no time sir. 

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priti-yukta, he’s not interested. Although he is at home, he is not 

interested at home. Therefore generally devotees, they become very 

reluctant in the interest of maintaining family, children, wife. 

Simply as far as possible, duty. So much interested, not any more. 

These are the signs. If you want to find out a grhastha mahatma, then 

he has got his family, he has got his children, he has got his wife, 

he has got his business. He has got to meet so many other people, but 

they are, he’s not at all interested. Simply behavior, official. \”Yes, 

yes, it is all right. Yes, it is all right. What you say it is all 

right, but I am not interested.\” This is called disinterested. People 

are generally very much interested in these things. 

   So if you want to find out a mahatma within the society, not as a 

renounced sannyasi, then these are the symptoms. There are other 

symptoms. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma, that we shall describe later 

1. These are the general symptoms of a mahatma grhastha. He is not

interested in this bodily concept of life, or maintaining very 

opulently his family members, or talking very seriously with persons 

who are simply materially interested, dehambhara, just to maintain 

this body. Of course we require to maintain this body. He is not 

neglectful. There is no question of negligence. He takes care of his 

children, of his wife, everything, but without any attachment. That is 

recommended by the Gosvamis. That, anasaktasya visayan yatharham 

upayunjatah. You give education to your children, that is required. 

You maintain your wife, that is also required, no negligence, but no 

attatchment at the same time. No attachment, that I shall sacrifice 

everything for my wife, and children, and home. That is not a 

mahatma’s business, because he knows that he cannot improve the 

destiny. Everybody has got his body with certain destiny already 

settled up. That you cannot change. Otherwise everyone is trying to 

become very rich, very important, there is no scarcity of endeavor, 

but not that everyone is becoming like that. That is called destiny. 

   So those who are believer in the sastras, believer in the Supreme 

Lord, they believe in destiny also. Therefore sastra says, tasyaiva 

hetoh prayateta kovido na labhyate yad bhramatam upary adhah. We 

should try for advancing our Krsna consciousness. That is our main 

business. Tasyaiva hetoh prayateta kovido. Kovidah means very expert. 

He should try for advancing in Krsna consciousness, not for material 

advancement. This is civilization. That is, we have already discussed. 

Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kastan kaman arhate vid-bhujam ye. If 

you think that, \”If I work very hard, then I shall improve my 

position,\” that is not possible. Your position is already fixed up. 

Then shall I not try for my happiness? Yes. That is replied in the 

sastra. Tal labhyate duhkhavad anyatah sukham. You do not try for 

distress of life, why does it come? You do not ask God, \”Please give 

me distress.\” Nobody asks, but why distress comes? Similarly, if you 

do not pray for happiness, if you have got happiness in your destiny, 

it will come, as the distress comes. Tal labhyate duhkhavad anyatah 

sukham. So don’t be misled by so-called happiness and distress. It is 

already fixed up. Simply try for advancing in Krsna consciousness. 

That is real business. 

   Tasyaiva hetoh prayateta kovido. That business can be done very 

perfectly well when, mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimuktes, when we 

associate with mahatma. It doesn’t matter whether he’s a sannyasi or 

grhastha, he must be mahatma. Mahatma means one who has got 

relationship with Krsna. That is described in the Bhagavad…, 

mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim asritah, bhajanty 

ananya-manaso, that is mahatma. You cannot stamp anybody and become a 

mahatma. No. Mahatma’s sign is, mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim 

prakrtim asritah, bhajanty ananya-manaso. He has no other business. 

Simply he has only one business: how to please Krsna. That is mahatma. 

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 Therefore in the Bhagavad-gita there is no other business than 

bhakti. There is no other business. Karma, jnana, yoga. They are 

described, but with the aim to culminate in bhakti. Just like karma. 

Krsna said, yat karosi yad asnasi yat tapasyasi kurusva tat 

mad-arpanam, \”Give it to Me.\” This is bhakti. So far jnanis are 

concerned, Krsna concludes bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam 

prapadyate. Jnanis, after many, many births, cultivation of knowledge, 

when he actually begins to become a bhakta, then his perfection is 

there. 

                        bahunam janmanam ante 

                       jnanavan mam prapadyate 

                         vasudevah sarvam iti 

                       sa mahatma su-durlabhah 

This is for the jnanis, and for the karmis, yat karosi. Yat karosi, 

\”Whatever you do, the result you give it to me.\” That means, bhakti 

misra karma, jnana misra bhakti. And for the yogis, he says, 

The first class yogi is, who is always thinking of Me. He is 

first-class. Yogi’s business is to see God within the heart. That is 

real yogi. Dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasa pasyanti yam yogino. 

Yogi’s business is to see in meditation always Krsna or Visnu within 

the heart. That is real yogi. Dhyanavasthita, by meditation one has to 

see continually. That is called samadhi. 

                         yoginam api sarvesam 

                         mad-gatenantaratmana 

                      sraddhavan bhajate yo mam 

                        sa me yuktatamo matah 

He is first-class yogi. So everything is there ending in bhakti. 

Therefore in the Bhagavad-gita, the only talk is about bhakti, in a 

different way, either through karma-yoga, or jnana-yoga, or 

hatha-yoga. The point is how to become a devotee, and at the end He 

concludes, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja. This is 

the conclusion of, so these things cannot be understood by anyone who 

is not a devotee. Without being devotee, you cannot understand. 

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Acyutananda: How can we… 

Prabhupada: I may say many things to you, but when I say something 

directly, \”Do it,\” your first duty is to do that. You cannot argue, 

\”Sir, you said me like this before.\” No, that is not your duty. What I 

say now, you do it. That is obedience. You cannot argue. Of course, 

Krsna never said anything contradictory, but if when one thinks 

foolishly that Krsna said something contradictory, no, that is not to 

1. You could not understand. So even though you could not understand,

you take My direct orders now. Sarva-dharman parityajya mam e…, that 

is your business. The master says like that, and the servant’s 

business is to accept it as it is, without any argument. That’s all 

right. 

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examples of mahatma. Don’t misunderstand that we are preaching that 

mahatmas are only in India. No. By the order of the Supreme 

Personality of Godhead there are mahatmas even amongst the birds, even 

amongst the beasts, even amongst the lower than animals. Because this 

Krsna consciousness movement is going on in different places, in 

different circumstances. That is God’s desire. Yada yada hi dharmasya 

glanir bhavati bharata tadatmanam srjamy aham. So Krsna wants this. 

Just like in your country there is welfare activities by the 

government. The welfare department is seeing that nobody is unhappy 

for want of money. Similarly, mahatmas, they are also in the welfare 

department of Krsna. They are sent to different countries, different 

places, different species of life, so that the living entity may take 

advantage of Krsna consciousness. 

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   So Krsna is so friendly that He always lives with us just to turn 

our face towards Krsna. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese arjuna 

tisthati. What is His business? He is simply waiting for the time when 

we shall turn our face to Krsna. That is His business. But 

unfortunately, we do not want Krsna. We want something which is not 

Krsna. That is our disease. Still, Krsna is giving us facility. 

Bhramayan sarva-bhutani yantrarudhani mayaya. Krsna gives 

intelligence, mattah smrtir jnanam apohanam ca, that \”You are My part 

and parcel. Why you are struggling so hard in this material world? 

Come to Me. I will give you all protection.\” Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo 

moksayisyami. He is ready. But I’ll not do. That’s my obstinacy. At 

that time what Krsna will do? He is affectionate father. \”All right, 

what do you want to do?\” \”I want to do like this.\” \”All right.\” 

Bhramayan sarva-bhutani yantrarudhani mayaya. He immediately orders 

prakrti… Mayadhyaksena prakrteh suyate sa-caracaram. \”This living 

entity wants a body like this. So give him a body like that.\” Yantra. 

That is called yantra. It is a machine. This body is the machine. And 

therefore we are changing, one body to another, yantrarudhani mayaya. 

This is our business. 

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   So if I am now in a yantra, Mercedes car, and suppose next life I 

ride on another yantra which is four-legged dog, then what is the 

benefit of this kind of struggle for existence? But that is going on. 

Therefore Krsna warns, asraddhadhanah purusa dharmasyasya parantapa 

mam aprapya. \”The aim of life was to achieve Me,\” Krsna says, \”but the 

result is, because he does not hear what I say,\” mam aprapya 

nivartante, \”again goes back,\” mrtyu-samsara-vartmani. This material 

world means to take birth and die. That is called 

mrtyu-samsara-vartmani. Now I am born as Indian or as brahmana or 

something like that. The next life, there is no guarantee. Krsna does 

not say that there is guarantee. Krsna says tatha dehantara-praptih. 

You have to change your body. Tatha dehantara-praptih dhiras tatra na 

muhyati. 

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   So if you want to stop these varieties of body, then you should 

give up all these nonsense desires. Anyabhilasita-sunyam 

jnana-karmady-anavrtam. You are jnani, you are karmi, you are yogi, 

but your desires are all different. One yogi wants that \”I shall fly 

in the sky.\” One yogi wants, \”I shall walk on the water.\” One yogi 

thinks, \”I shall create gold and show magic to the rascal people that 

I am God.\” This is going on. One jnani, he is speaking something, one 

karmi… This is going on. Therefore there are varieties, varieties of 

desires. You have to stop these nonsense desires. That is wanted. 

Otherwise, you are implicated. You are implicated. So, therefore you 

can stop your desires only by becoming Krsna conscious. Otherwise, 

they will go on. Svamin krtartho ‘smi varam na yace. This is Dhruva 

Maharaja said. He had desires, very, very great desires that \”I shall 

have, I shall possess a kingdom greater than Brahma, greater than my 

father.\” He was insulted by his stepmother. This is desire. This is We 

are Action and reaction. So he desired that \”I shall have a great 

kingdom–greater kingdom than my father.\” He went to the forest and he 

underwent very severe austerities, a five-years-old boy. He saw, Krsna 

came. So when He wanted to give him, fulfill his desires, he said, 

svamin krtartho ‘smi varam na yace: \”No, no, no, no. I have nothing to 

ask from You.\” This is Krsna consciousness. No more desires. 

Otherwise, karmi, jnani, yogi, and bhakta. Akamah sarva-kamo va 

moksa-kama udara-dhih. Moksa-kama, the jnanis they want moksa, to 

merge into the existence of Brahman. The yogis, they want siddhis, 

some perfection, material perfection, to show some magic. And the 

karmis, they want sense gratification. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu 

said that karmi jnani yogi sakali asanta. Asanta, they cannot be at 

peace because they are desiring. So long you want, you desire, there 

will be no peace. Krsna-bhakta–niskama, ataeva santa. 

   So this is the recommendation, nunam pramattah kurute-vikarma. They 

are mad after sense gratification and doing everything nonsense which 

is forbidden in the sastra. You know, those who are too much after 

fulfilling desires, they even kill his own men. He’ll kill his own 

child. Because the mother desiring that \”I have become pregnant. It is 

botheration. It will check my sense gratification. Kill.\” Vikarma. 

Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma. He doesn’t see that what will be the 

result of it. Vikarma. Karma, vikarma, akarma. Karma means prescribed 

duties, according… Just like law. \”You keep to the right,\” this is 

law. And as soon as you keep to the wrong side, left, it is vikarma. 

This is karma and vikarma. But for sense-gratification we execute 

vikarma. So therefore we are implicating and we are preparing for the 

next life. Yam yam vapi smaran bhavam tyajaty ante kalevaram: at the 

time of death these desires become prominent. Even without desire we 

get so many ideas and dream at night. So at the time of death, on 

account of our vikarma, we shall create a situation, and the next life 

we get a similar body. That’s all. Nunam pramattah kurute. Na sadhu 

manye yata atmano ‘yam. 

   I have got already one body which is klesada. Everyone has got 

experience. No one is here who can say that \”My body is very nice. 

There is no klesa. There is no pains and pleasure. I am very perfect.\” 

That is not possible. As soon as you get a material body, it must be 

subjected to so many sufferings: adhyatmika, adhibautika, adhidaivika. 

Tribulations there must be. Material body means klesada. Therefore the 

Vedic civilization is to stop getting this material body. That is 

Vedic civilization. Not that increase. That is explained in the 

Bhagavad-gita. Two things are there. You must accept, you must get the 

service of Krsna. Otherwise you go on in this way. 

Mrtyu-samsara-vartamani. Asraddadhanan purusa dharmasyasya parantapa 

mam aprapya. If you don’t get Krsna, then there is no other way. There 

is no other alternative. The only alternative is 

mrtyu-samsara-vartmani. You get one body and again you die, again get 

another body. This will go on. Therefore we should not Na sadhu manye. 

Rsabhadeva, boys, said, \”This is not good.\” Na sadhu manye yata atmano 

‘yam asann api klesada asa dehah. 

   So this culture, this education, is practically nil. Especially in 

Kali-yuga, it is very regrettable.  

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so-called scholar, doctors, Ph.D., D.H.C Just like that Professor 

Kotovsky said, \”After finishing this body, everything is finished.\” He 

does not know what he is. This is the position. Therefore the 

so-called scholars, learned men, whatever they are doing, they are 

being defeated because he does not know his identity. Unless you know 

your identity, then how can you work for the goal of life? If your 

identity is mistaken, then whatever you are doing, that is your 

defeat. Yavat kriyas tavad idam mano vai karmatmakam yena 

sarira-bandhah. Everyone has got different types of mentality. So 

karmatmakam means… That is general mentality, that \”I shall work 

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 It is a science. We are teaching that somehow or other you 

enhance your love for God. Then you are saved. This is a science. 

   And how to enhance that love of Godhead? That is our activities: to 

rise early in the morning, to offer mangala-aratrika, to dress the 

Deity, to offer Him nice foodstuff, to observe festivals, writing 

books, distributing them. These are activities in devotional service 

that will save us from this repetition of birth and death. 

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 Unless you become devotee of Vasudeva, Krsna… Therefore Krsna personally comes and He says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja. That is for 

your interest. Krsna says that \”You surrender unto Me.\” It is not 

Krsna’s interest. If you surrender, not interest, Krsna does not lose 

anything. He is omnipotent. He can create millions of devotees like 

you by His desire. He doesn’t canvass. He is not canvassing, that \”You 

become My devotee and I shall be very rich.\” No. Not the purpose. It 

is for your interest. The same thing. If you become a devotee of 

Vasudeva, then you are saved from this repetition of birth and death. 

It is not Krsna’s interest. It is Krsna’s interest in this way, that 

because you are part and parcel, you are son of Krsna… Krsna is the 

aham bija-pradah pita… As the father, rich father, He does not like 

to see that His son will become a crazy, mad fellow and loiter in the 

street. He doesn’t want it. But if you do not come back to home, there 

is no loss of the father. But if you back to home of a rich father, 

then it is your interest. It is your interest. 

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 Bhakti means priti, real love. When I actually 

love Krsna, that is called priti. Just like we love our beloved, our 

child or husband or wife… That is also not love. That is a temporary 

sentiment. Actual love is possible with Krsna. That is actual love. 

Once you love Krsna, it cannot be broken at any time. It cannot be 

broken, any circumstances. So therefore somehow or other we have to… 

Yena tena prakarena manah krsne nivesayet. Somehow or other you must 

engage yourself in loving Krsna. That is the success of life. 

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 So even one is brahmana, he is also under 

the grip of material nature. And what to speak of one who is a sudra 

or less than a sudra. Everyone is trying to improve himself under the 

influence of certain modes of material nature. So when one becomes 

vipascit, viveki… Vipascit means enlightened. These, my activities 

under the influence of different modes of material nature, this is 

waste of time. Even if I become a brahmana, that is also waste of 

time, and what to speak of if I become a ksatriya, passionate. 

Passionate… This vaisya, this mercantile class of men, they are 

passionate and ignorance mixture. They are very active: \”I am very 

running, I am very busy,\” but running here and there in ignorance. 

Just like you will see the monkey. Monkey is always very busy, but 

what is the meaning of his business? He is in ignorance. As soon as a 

monkey comes… You have so such disturbance. In India, as soon as a 

monkey comes, everyone wants to drive him away. Because he has come to 

become business and to make some loss. That’s all. That is his 

business. Wherever he sits, he will move like this. (makes sounds 

moving arms back and forth) He is not at all silent. He is always 

active. But because he is monkey, monkey is a symbol of… Ass, they 

are symbol of ignorance. Therefore such kind of business is useless. 

It is simply harmful. 

   So when one comes to understand that \”This is my business, this my 

goodness, everything, it is all useless. Unless I become attached, I 

am a devotee of Vasudeva, Krsna, all these attempts are simply futile 

attempts,\” that is enlightenment. When one understands, \”Yes, my only 

business is to surrender to Krsna, to love Krsna,\” then he is to be 

understood, he is enlightened, educated. Ei rupe brahmanda bhramite 

kona bhagyavan. That is fortune. Yada na pasyaty ayatha guneham 

svarthe pramattah. He does not know his interest. Na te viduh 

svartha-gatim hi visnum. They do not know that \”My svartha, my 

interest, my goal of life, is to love, to find out God and to love 

Him. That is my real interest.\” So, so long one is not enlightened to 

that standard of life, then he is defeated. Then how he is defeated? 

Gata-smrtir, gata-smrtir vindati tatra tapan asadya maithunyam agaram 

ajnah. He remains a ajnah, foolish. And what is his happiness? His 

happiness is sex life. That’s all. That is his happiness. Maithunyam 

agaram. He is in the prison house of this material nature, but he does 

not know that \”I am in prison.\” He is simply enjoying the three 

things. Udaram varitha.(?) Udaram varitha: the tongue, the belly and 

the genital. That is stated here. Gata-smrtir vindati. And to enjoy 

this material, he has to undergo so much tribulation. Tapan vindati. 

   Therefore Govinda dasa sings, sita atapa bata barisana, e dina 

jamini jagi re, biphale sevinu krpana durajana, capala sukha-laba 

lagi’ re. In this country, there is snowfall. Still, people will have 

to go to work very hard, day and night. But why? Why they are 

accepting such hard labor? Somebody is coming from India in this 

country. The climate is not very suitable in comparison to India, but 

they have come here to work hard. Why? Sex pleasure. That’s all. He 

will get money and he will have home and sex pleasure or tongue 

pleasure. So therefore it is said, gata-smrtih. Actual. Actually, he 

has forgotten. His own business, he has forgotten, but he is entrapped 

by a process of sense gratification. Although it is very great 

hardship and miserable condition, but he is satisfied because this 

sense gratification is there. Gata-smrtih tatra tapan asadya 

maithunyam agaram ajnah. Because he is foolish, therefore he likes to 

be imprisoned simply for sense gratification. 

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Pradyumna: \”As long as one does not inquire about the spiritual values 

of life, one is defeated and subjected to miseries arising from 

ignorance. Be it sinful or pious, karma has its resultant actions. If 

a person is engaged in any kind of karma, his mind is called 

karmatmaka, colored with fruitive activity. As long as the mind is 

impure, consciousness is unclear, and as long as one is absorbed in 

fruitive activity, he has to accept a material body.\” 

Prabhupada: 

                     parabhavas tavad abodha-jato 

                   yavan na jijnasata atma-tattvam 

                   yavat kriyas tavad idam mano vai 

                   karmatmakam yena sarira-bandhah 

It is very quite natural, whatever you do, your mind will be absorbed 

in that business. Karmatmakam. Therefore our mind should be engaged 

always in Krsna: sa vai manah krsna-padaravindayor. Then we can be 

relieved from this sarira-bandhah.  

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means To accept guru means the disciple should be very very eager to 

know. Sad-dharma prcchat. Adau gurvasrayam. Why you accept a guru? \”It 

is a fashion.\” Fashion. Nowadays they accept a guru fashion. \”Everyone 

has guru. Everyone has a dog. Well, let me keep a dog.\” Like that. A 

pet dog. So similarly, to keep a pet guru, that is not One should be 

very inquisitive: sad-dharma prcchat. And everywhere the same thing. 

Pariprasna. Tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya. But don’t make 

inquiries cheap: \”Here is my guru, and he’s meant for answering all my 

questions. Let me go on questioning, questioning, questioning.\” No. 

Sevaya. You must serve. You must be ready to serve him. Then you have 

got right to make question. Otherwise not. Two things. First of all, 

you must find out a person where you can fully surrender, pranipatena. 

And then you can inquire, and the inquiry should be compensated by 

seva. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasada. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam 

eva sphuraty adah. The more you are inclined to render seva, the more 

the truth becomes revealed. 

                       yasya deve para bhaktir 

                        yatha-deve tatha gurau 

                      tasyaite kathita hy arthah 

                       prakasante (mahatmanah) 

It is a different science. The more you are inclined to render 

service, the more spiritual truth becomes revealed. And two things: if 

you are not inquisitive, don’t bother yourself to have a guru. 

Useless. There is no need. Tasmad gurum prapadyeta. Tasmad. Therefore. 

What is therefore? Jijnasuh sreya uttamam. If you are inquisitive 

about transcendental science, sreya uttamam… Sreya and preya–two 

things are there. Sreya means ultimate good, and preya means immediate 

sense gratification, it is preya. And sreya means ultimate good. So if 

one is inquisitive to know what is the ultimate goal of life, for him, 

a guru is required. But if he wants immediate some sense 

gratification, he doesn’t require a guru. For sense gratification 

there is no need of guru. Even these birds and beasts, they know how 

to gratify senses. There is no need of university or teacher. Say for 

sex life, nobody requires to go to the university. They know. 

Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam ca. These four things, there is no need of 

university education.  

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   There are two kinds of strong avidya, ignorance, unawareness. 

Sattva-guna, rajo-guna, tamo-guna. Rajo-guna and tamo-guna is 

covering. Tamo-guna is very densely covering, and rajo-guna little 

open, and sattva-guna means prakasa, there is illumination, 

brahminical qualifications. When one is in the sattva-guna then he can 

understand that \”I am not this body. I am different from this body.\” 

For them, those who are in the sattva-guna, for them it is easier. So 

therefore the process is Human civilization means not to drag somebody 

who is already in the sattva-guna or in the family of sattva-guna, to 

drag him down to the tamo-guna. The modern civilization is like that. 

The allurement of material civilization is so strong and so bad that 

those who are by pious activities born in brahmana family, they are 

being dragged to the tamo-guna behavior like sudras. They are learning 

how to drink, how to eat meat, how to have illicit sex. These are the 

symptoms of tamo-guna, lowest type of tamo-guna. There are different 

degrees of guna. The degrees are so mixed up. Therefore three gunas is 

manifested into 8,400,000 different forms of life, mixture. You can 

calculate. We have several times calculated. Three multiplied by three 

equals nine. Nine multiplied by nine, eighty-one. So therefore there 

are so many varieties. So human civilization should be so arranged 

that never mind, it is so mixed up, you have to gradually draw him 

again to the sattva-guna. That is human civilization. Not that drag 

him again to the tamo-guna. Somebody, by pious activities, by good 

work, he’s already in the sattva-guna, but the arrangement The social, 

political, economical arrangement is so bad that one is dragged to the 

tamo-guna. This is not civilization. This is degradation. Civilization 

means elevation. The aim is how to become disconnected with this 

material body. This is civilization.  

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So, one has to be vipascit, learned, to understand the interest of 

life, self-interest. Everyone is working, especially the karmis, the 

jnanis, the yogis, and mixed devotees, they are working for 

self-interest. The devotees also, so long there is self, there is 

self-interest also. So there is little difference, that the devotees, 

they work for Super-self-interest. There is self, but it is 

Super-self-interest. And the karmis, jnanis, yogis they work for 

individual self-interest. Self-interest there must be.  

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This is material world, aham mameti, \”I am this,\” artho ‘ham, balavan 

aham. \”I am everything,\” aham, \”and this is mine. This is my property. 

This is my country. This is my society. This is my nation.\” Mine, 

mine, mine. And I, I, I. This is material world. Krsna says, bhoktaram 

yajna-tapasam sarva-loka-mahesvaram. The Supreme Personality of 

Godhead declares clearly that \”I am the proprietor.\” Sastra says, Veda 

says, isavasyam idam sarvam: it is God’s property, everything. We are 

claiming, our country, \”This is my country,\” but as soon as you go on 

the beach of the sea, your country finishes, the land. Then whose, the 

water, whose water that is? But the foolish person: \”No, it is in my 

throne(?), it is mine.\” 

   So this is moha, illusion.  

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sannyasi. Without becoming brahmana, there is no question of becoming 

sannyasa. In the Sankara-sampradaya they are very strict. Unless one 

is born in a brahmana family, he is not awarded the sannyasa. That is 

the stricture. But according to our Vaisnava, according to Caitanya 

Mahaprabhu, pancaratriki-viddhi, if there is little tendency of the 

person to become devotee, he is given the chance. Never mind he’s born 

in a sudra family, a candala family. That is sanctioned in the sastra: 

kirata-hunandhra-pulinda pulkasa abhira-sumbha yavanah khasadayah, ye 

‘nye ca papa. Anyone. Krsna also says, mam hi partha vyapasritya ye 

‘pi syuh papa-yonayah. So Narada Muni, he is a great devotee, he has 

given allowance to everyone to become a brahmana, to become a 

sannyasi. First of all he must be trained up to become a brahmana, 

then sannyasi. This is a fact. Without becoming a brahmana, there is 

no question of sannyasa. 

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   Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu when He delivered Jagai-Madhai… This 

Jagai-Madhai was debauch, drinking, illicit sex, meat eating and these 

things, degradation. These four principles are the four pillars of 

degradation. Therefore we prohibit. That if you want to make progress 

in Krsna consciousness, you must give up these four principles. So, 

Caitanya Mahaprabhu made this condition, that if you promise that you 

will give up these four principles of sinful life, then I will accept 

you. Never mind whatever you have done in the past. Every man is 

sinful, there is no doubt about it, more or less. That is not 

disqualification. If he agrees to give up that, then immediately he 

becomes liberated. That is Krsna also says in the Bhagavad…, aham 

tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami. Liberation is not very difficult. It 

can be obtained in one minute, provided you want to take it. Just like 

Krsna says, 

                       sarva-dharman parityajya 

                        mam ekam saranam vraja 

                       aham tvam sarva-papebhyo 

                        moksayisyami ma sucah 

So, if you are free from the resultant action of sinful life, then 

you are liberated. If you get shelter at the lotus feet of Krsna, and 

do not act in such a way that you again fall down, then you are 

liberated. Liberation means, we have several times discussed, hitva 

anyatha-rupam svarupena vyavasthitih. Our svarupa means original, 

constitutional position is jivera svarupa haya nitya-krsna-dasa, 

eternally servant of Krsna. So as soon as we place ourselves in our 

original place, then you are liberated immediately. 

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   Krsna is not stereotyped, that He has to be served in this way 

only. No, Krsna can accept service in so many ways. There are 

dvadasa-rasa, akhila-rasamrta-sindhu. Just like Krsna is enjoying when 

Bhismadeva was piercing His body with the arrows. He was enjoying. 

This is also rasa. Bhisma, purposefully, he knows Krsna is the Supreme 

Lord, still, he is devotee, he was giving Him pleasure by throwing 

arrows on His body. So Krsna takes pleasure in that. Krsna does not 

take pleasure only when you throw rose flowers. He can take pleasure 

when you can pierce. If you are actually able to do that. So that is 

Krsna. 

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   But the policy is that his money, which is accumulated for sense 

gratification… In Western countries they accumulate millions of 

dollars and at the last moment he gives to his dog. (laughter) There 

are many instances, you know better than me. He has no, nobody even, 

because they do not marry, no children, no friend, so the dog is the 

best friend in Western country. Every gentleman must have this best 

friend, pet dog. So ultimately, because there is nobody to give, he 

gives it to the dog. Makes a will that my dog will get it and they’ll 

give him jewelry, ornaments and so on, so on, so on. We have got 

practical experience, the big palace which we have purchased in 

Detroit, the man did not marry, so ultimately he bequeathed the whole 

estate to the dog. (laughter) And there is a tomb of the dog. 

(laughter) 

   So, one has to do it. If he does not do it for God, then he will 

have to do it ultimately to the dog. So better, so long you have got 

money, spend it for God. San-nimitte varam tyago vinase niyate 

sati(?). This is the instruction of Canakya Pandita, that whatever 

money you have got, it will be spent. You cannot keep it. Either the 

money will go from you, or you have to go from the money. You cannot 

keep together. That is not possible. If you don’t spend the money for 

Krsna, if you keep it, that \”I shall see it. I shall lick up this 

money and become happy…\” Krpana, that those who are miser, they do 

not spend money for Krsna but they see the money. Therefore it has 

become a problem for us, how to spend the money. How to spend the 

money for Krsna, that is our policy. We do not want to keep money. We 

cannot keep, that is not possible. Somebody will take it. Ultimately 

the government will take. Better spend it for Krsna. Spend it for 

Krsna that is the right use. San-nimitte varam tyago vinase niya… 

Canakya Pandita, he was great politician, he is advising that if you 

have got money, spend it for Krsna. Don’t keep it. Spend it for Krsna. 

Why? It will be spoiled. Today or tomorrow it will be spoiled. 

Somebody will take and spoil it. Better, if you spend it for Krsna, at 

least your service will be recognized. Krsna will see that this man is 

spending his hard-earned money for Me. That is called ajnata-sukrti. 

This service to Krsna, this inclination, does not arise unless one is 

very, very, good asset he has got. 

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kotibhih sukrti(?). This desire that I shall serve Krsna, it is not 

ordinary thing. Na janma kotibhih sukrtibhir labhyate. But it is 

possible if we accumulate this sukrti, all right little service, 

little service, little service. Therefore the preacher’s business is 

to engage these fools and rascals, who are very enthusiastic in the 

activities of sense gratification. If they are somehow or other 

engaged in Krsna’s service, they accumulate sukrti, sukrti. 

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agreed, \”All right, let us leave this place.\” So immediately, they 

transferred the whole village with their possessions, cloth or 

something, everything, within one hour. And they transported by the 

bullock cart to Nandagrama. That means, the idea is the whole village 

was transferred from one village to another within very short time. So 

the transport is required, the transport by bullock carts. s 

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there. So nature’s arrangement, God’s arrangement is there. Transport 

is required in the human society, but you can utilize so many animals 

for your purpose. But at the present moment, ugra-karma. The transport 

is there, but they have manufactured big, big buses for transport, 

big, big cars, and the animals, they are now killed and eat. That’s 

all. This is civilization. This is civilization. Not to reduce the 

labor, but increase the labor. Therefore they are called ugra-karma, 

jagatah hita, and that will create disastrous condition of the human 

society. This is discussed in Bhagavad-gita. 

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   So these are the items we should, nirvaira-samyopasamena putra 

jihasaya deha-geha. This is also one of the important items, that I am 

executing devotional service, but I have no detachment from my family 

life. The bhakti-yoga means bhaktih paresanubhavo viraktir anyatra 

syat. That is bhakti-yoga. Everyone can test, \”How much I have become 

detached from my, this worldly affection. This is my family, this is 

my country, this is my society, this is my son, this is my wife, this 

is my children.\” This is moha. Janasya moho ‘yam aham mameti, we have 

to give up this. If we have not been able to give up this attachment, 

worldly attachment, that means we are not making any progress. 

Therefore it is said clearly, deha-gehatma. Eh? Buddheh. What is that? 

Jihasaya deha-gehatma-buddheh. Atma-buddheh. Deha-gehatma-buddheh. 

Everyone is thinking \”I am this body.\” Everyone is thinking, \”This is 

my country,\” nationalism. \”This is my socialism.\” \”I am brahmana, I 

belong to the brahmanas,\” \”I belong to the ksatriyas.\” \”I belong to 

America.\” \”I belong to India.\” This is deha-gehatma-buddheh, and 

yasyatma-buddhih kunape tri-dhatuke. Anyone who is thinking like that, 

deha-gehatma, sa eva go-kharah, he is no better than the cows and the 

asses, animal. Deha-gehatma-buddheh is animal conception. One has to 

come to understand that \”I am not this body, I am not this mind or 

intelligence.\” Aham brahmasmi, I am part and parcel of Krsna, Param 

Brahman.. 

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                        sruti-smrti-puranadi- 

                        pancaratra-vidhim vina 

                       aikantiki harer bhaktir 

                         utpatayaiva kalpate 

There are so many they have invented. Just like Hare Krsna mantra is 

prescribed in the sastras, and they have invented so many. Although 

there is the name of the Supreme Lord, still you have to follow the 

sastra. If you say Rama Rama Rama, Radhe Radhe Radhe, Krsna, there are 

so many mentioned. That is also name, but you have to follow the 

sastra. Sastra says: 

             Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare 

               Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare 

You have to take that. Not that you can say, nitai-gaura radhe-syama, 

hare krsna hare rama, no. Why? Is there any in the sastra? No, you 

have invented. What is the value of your invention? You are not 

perfect. But they like that \”It is my guru, I have got some followers, 

I invent some type of chanting.\” This is nonsense. You must follow, 

mahajano yena gatah sa panthah. You cannot invent… 

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   The story of the potter The potter is planning. He has got few pots 

and he is planning, \”Now I have got these four pots and I will sell. I 

will make some profit. Then there will be ten pots. Then I’ll sell ten 

pots, I’ll make some profit. I’ll get twenty pots and then thirty 

pots, forty pots. In this way I shall become millionaire. And at that 

time I shall marry, and I shall control my wife in this way and that 

way. And if she is disobedient, then I shall kick her like this.\” So 

when he kicked, he kicked the pots and all the pots broke. (laughter) 

So then his dream is gone. You see? Similarly, we are simply dreaming. 

With few pots we are simply dreaming that \”These pots will be 

increased into so many pots, so many pots, so many pots,\” then 

finished. Don’t make imagination, make plan. That is… The guru, the 

spiritual master and the government should be careful that \”These 

rascals may not make plan. This rascal may not make plan to be happy.\” 

Na yojayet karmasu karma-mudhan. This is karma-jagat, this world. This 

material world is that. They are already inclined, so what is the use? 

Loke vyayayamisa-madya-seva nityastu jantuh. Just like sex life. Sex 

life is natural. It does not require any university education how to 

enjoy sex. They will enjoy it. Nobody… \”Nobody is taught how to cry 

or how to laugh or how to enjoy sex life.\” There is a Bengali saying. 

That is natural. You don’t require any education for this karma. Now 

they are making big, big plans to educate people how to work hard. 

This is waste of life. Educational institution should be for teaching 

people how to become Krsna conscious, not to become this or that. That 

is waste of time, because that program will never be successful. Tal 

labhyate duhkhavad anyatah sukham kalena sarvatra gabhira-ramhasa. The 

nature’s law is working Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah. 

Whatever 

   Therefore our Vedic civilization is that people are satisfied in 

his own position, a brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra. Whatever by 

God’s grace he got, he was satisfied. The real energy was utilized how 

to become eligible to receive mercy of Krsna. That is wanted, how to 

learn how to surrender to Krsna. Then aham tvam sarva-papebhyo 

moksayisyami. That was the end. In India we find not that… The great 

sages, rsis, they wrote so many books, but they used to live in a 

cottage. Only the kings, the ksatriya, because they had to rule over, 

they used to construct big, big palaces. No one else. They lived very 

simple life, very simple life. Not waste time for so-called economic 

development, skyscraper building, subways and so on, so on. This was 

not Vedic civilization. This is asuric civilization. 

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how. So Krsna will be very much pleased if you simply… Krsna says… 

Here it is said that mal-loka-kamah. How one can go to Krsnaloka or 

Vaikunthaloka? Very easy. Very easy. Krsna personally says. It is not 

our manufactured word. Krsna said, man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji 

mam namaskuru. Do these four things: \”Always think of Me.\” That is 

Krsna conscious. Manmana bhava mad-bhaktah: \”Become My devotee. 

Worship Me and offer obeisances to Me,\” and asamsaya, \”you’ll come.\” 

Mal-loka. Very good. Very easy thing. Asamsaya. \”Without any doubt 

you’ll come to Me.\” Why do they not accept this proposal of Krsna? It 

is not our manufacture. We are not washing brain. It is Krsna’s word, 

that simply by doing four things, manmana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji 

mam namaskuru mam evaisyasi asamsayah, without any doubt. That is 

required. Krsna will be pleased. 

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you are delivered, you are liberated. Just like you will find one 

aeroplane is going up and up, up, up, and at a time you will find the 

aeroplane is no more seen (indistinct). That does not mean he has 

merged in the sky. He has got a separate existence, but you cannot 

see. Even one has got so high, it does not mean that he has merged 

into the sky. If he does not get another shelter, he will come back 

again. He will come back again. He has not merged. There is no 

question of merging. Brahmajyoti means the…, it is the combination 

of millions and trillions of sparks of living entities. That is 

brahmajyoti. They are not mixed up. They are just like the sunshine. 

The sunshine, it is not one homogeneous substance. There are millions 

and trillions of shining particles. Combination is called sunshine. It 

is not that they are merged. Similarly, every individual soul is 

individual. Krsna says, \”Arjuna, you, Me, and all these soldiers and 

kings, they were existing before, they are now existing now, and they 

will continue to exist in the future.\” So where is mixture? You, me, 

and all of you, we are different individuals, and Krsna says–not 

ordinary person–that \”They were individuals in the past, they are 

individual now, and they will continue to become individual.\” So where 

is this question of merging? There is no question of merging. 

Mamaivamso jiva-bhutah jiva-loka sanatanah, eternally they are 

individuals, and eternally they will keep individual. 

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 And if you are really advanced in knowledge, then panditah sama-darsinah. 

Then you are actually pandita, not falsely to be called pandita and 

number one fool. That is not pandita. Panditah sama-darsinah. The 

defect of the modern civilization is that there is no pandita. All 

rascals. All rascals. Therefore they have demarcated, \”This is India,\” 

\”This is America.\” No. Everything belongs to Krsna. Then there will be 

peace. If in the United Nation they simply pass one resolution with 

determination, that \”The whole planet belongs to Krsna, the Supreme 

Personality of Godhead, and we are all His sons,\” there is no trouble. 

   There is no scarcity. Krsna has created this world in such a way 

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   So if we actually formulate peace formula, then everything is 

possible. Simply we have to accept the instruction of Krsna. Our Krsna 

consciousness movement is for this purpose. We are simply requesting 

to accept the Krsna philosophy. Then the whole world will be peaceful. 

There is no doubt about it. 

                       bhoktaram yajna-tapasam 

                        sarva-loka-mahesvaram 

                        suhrdam sarva-bhutanam 

                      jnatva mam santim rcchati 

These rascals, their mentality is like the dogs, and they are making 

United Nation. A dog can be united? Is it possible? No. You bring 

several dozens of best dog and ask them, \”Please live peacefully. We 

shall give you food, everything.\” It is not in their capacity to live 

peacefully. So even there is already ample economic development, 

sufficiency, but because the mentality is doggish, the so-called farce 

of United Nation, they are fighting with one another. It is not 

possible. 

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Just like in the Vaikunthaloka, that is… But in the 

material world, when one is not covered by the gross body but subtle 

body, they are called ghosts or pramathas. Those who are good, not 

harmful, they are called pramathas. And those who are harmful… As in 

this material world there are good men and bad men, similarly, amongst 

the persons who has no this gross body, they are sometimes called 

ghosts and sometimes they are called pramatha. 

   So in this way, varieties of life, beginning from the insects and 

the aquatics, animal, up to the point of Lord Brahma. But they are all 

within this material world. It does not mean because the Gandharvas, 

Siddhas, they have got higher standard of life and power hundreds and 

thousands times more than our power, do not think that they are 

liberated persons. They are not liberated person. They are all 

conditioned soul.  

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protkhata-damstrayate. And indriya samyamah, the yogis, they are 

trying to control the senses. Yoga indriya sam… That is the real 

purpose. Our indriyas are so disturbing, just like kala-sarpa. You are 

sitting here. If one snake comes, immediately you’ll be all disturbed, 

immediately. So to… Disturbing why? Because every one of us, we 

know, \”Here is a kala-sarpa.\” Kala-sarpa means anyone it bites, 

immediately death. Immediately death. But this kala-sarpa is dreadful, 

vicious, so long the fangs are there. Protkhata damstrayate. If the 

fangs, the poison fangs, are taken away, or if you know, \”Here is a 

snake, but the snake’s fangs have been taken away,\” you’ll not be 

afraid. Visa hina sarpah. Visa hina sarpah. 

   So for a devotee this kala-sarpa-paali automatically subdued 

because they do not use the senses for sense gratification. They are 

engaged in the service of Krsna. If our senses are engaged in the 

service of Krsna, the poisonous fangs are taken away. It is no more 

dreadful. There is no need of practicing indriya samyamah. Indriya 

samyamah automatically. One who is Krsna conscious, he is not 

disturbed. Just like Haridasa Thakura. He did not go to control the 

senses, but because he was chanting… He practiced chanting. A 

beautiful prostitute at dead of night offered her body to be enjoyed. 

He said, \”Yes, I shall satisfy you. Please sit down. Let me finish my 

chanting.\” This is kala-sarpa-paali protkhata-damstrayate. He was not 

even agitated. This is the benefit of becoming a favorite servant of 

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. 

   Thank you very much. (end) 

761110SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225354/530501 

So Rsabhadeva is teaching us what is the value of brahminical culture. 

Human society without brahminical culture is animal society. We offer 

our obeisances to the Lord, namo brahmanya-devaya go-brahmana-hitaya 

1. Krsna is first of all interested to see whether in the society the

brahmana and the cow is properly respected. Namo brahmanya-devaya 

go-brahmana-hitaya ca. His first business is to see that the brahmana 

and cow is being properly honored. Then jagad-dhitaya. Then 

automatically the whole world will be peaceful. This secret of success 

they do not know. Nobody is prepared to become brahmana, and so far 

cow protection is concerned, it is in the oblivion. This is the whole 

world position. Therefore it is in chaotic condition. It must be, 

because this is animal society. When these two things are neglected, 

it is animal society, and then other animal qualities and 

paraphernalia follow. 

761110SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225357/530501 

Unless we control the base qualities, namely the modes of ignorance 

and passion, you cannot be happy. It is not possible. Tato 

rajas-tamo-bhavah. Rajas tamo-bhavah means kama and lobha. So long I 

have lusty desire and so long I have greediness to acquire more and 

more and more, to enjoy senses more and more That is greediness. One 

should be satisfied, the minimum possible. 

   Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam ca samanyam etat pasubhir naranam. 

Ahara means eating. Ahara, nidra, sleeping, and fearing, and sense 

enjoyment. These are required, but not for increasing but decreasing. 

Just like when a person is diseased he should not eat as he likes. 

Because he is diseased, doctor prescribes that \”You take little barley 

water or glucose, no solid food, if you want to be cured.\” Similarly, 

these things are necessity so long this body is there. 

Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. But this should be decreased, not 

increased. That is human civilization, not to increase. Just like the 

Gosvamis in Vrndavana. They did not come here to increase 

ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. No. They came here to decrease. 

Nidrahara-viharakadi-vijitau. That is wanted. This is Vrndavana-vasi, 

not that to live in Vrndavana and increase this 

ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. This is not Vrndavana-vasa. The monkeys 

are also living in Vrndavana, and the dogs are also and hogs are 

living in Vrndavana. But they do not know how to decrease 

ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam. You’ll see the monkeys. They are also in 

Vrndavana. But you’ll find one male monkey followed by three dozen 

female monkeys. That is not vrndavana-vasa. Ahara-nidra. That means it 

requires brahminical culture, damo, samo. That is wanted. That is 

brahminical culture. 

   Unfortunately the present civilization, they are not meant for 

decreasing. They are simply increasing. The Western civlization means 

increasing the means of sense gratification, \”machine, machine, 

machine, machine.\” So, and the brahminical culture means samo damo 

titiksa. Titiksa means without something I may suffer. Suffer. So one 

should be practiced to suffer. Suffer, that is tapasya. Tapasa 

brahmacaryena. Tapasya begins from celibacy. We are practiced to sex 

life or sense gratification. Tapasya means first of all stop this. 

Tapasa brahmacaryena. This is practice. 

   So to become fit for going back to home, back to Godhead, it is not 

so easy. It is not so easily… We have to make our material life 

almost zero. Not almost zero–practically zero. Anyabhilasita-sunyam. 

That is wanted, practice. Therefore this, our Krsna consciousness.. 

761110SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225361/530501 

In European and American cities we have seen how people are working very hard, 

beginning from morning at five o’clock till four o’clock next night, 

for sense gratification. So this is not civilization. This is 

condemned civilization. Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kastan kaman 

arhate vid-bhujam ye. This is not civilization. This is animal 

civilization, working so hard day and night for eating. That is the 

business of the hogs and dogs. You will find the hogs and dog, they 

are loitering on the street whole day and night: \”Where is food? Where 

is sex?\” That is not civilization. They must be peaceful brahmana. Of 

course, not that everyone can be elevated to the position of a 

brahmana, but at least they must have the chance to see that \”Here is 

a class of men, brahmana.\” That is wanted. Otherwise the civilization 

is failure. 

   Therefore it is said, na brahmanais tulaye bhutam anyat. Actual 

brahmana, not the so-called brahmana, that was the Vedic culture. Just 

like Krsna Himself. He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. When He 

received Sudama Vipra, a brahmana, He immediately vacated His own 

seat: \”My dear friend, sit down here.\” And Krsna’s first wife? 

Devotee: Rukmini. 

Prabhupada: Rukmini. He (she) took immediately the camara. He (she) 

said, \”My husband is respecting.\” But he was dressed very poorly, lean 

and thin. Brahmana, because they refuse unnecessary necessities of 

life, sometimes they look very poor, poverty-stricken. They are not 

poverty-stricken. They are the richest. Mahatmanas tu mam partha 

daivim prakrtim sritah, bhajanty ananya-manaso. Those who are engaged 

in bhajana never think of their poverty. No. They are not poor. 

Otherwise, if Sudama Vipra, externally he looked very poor, lean and 

thin, not very nice cloth… Krsna is: \”My dear friend, sit down 

here.\” He brought water, washed the feet, just respectable person, 

guru, brahmana. This is etiquette. Krsna is showing personally. He is 

the king. He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He also respects a 

brahmana. When Narada used to come to Krsna, immediately He would get 

down from the seat and offer obeisances, and Narada was smiling, \”Just 

see Krsna’s lila.\” 

   So this is the way, brahmana. That brahmana, the India, the 

brahmanas, their sons later on, later ages, taking advantage of the 

facility offered to the brahmanas, so without qualification of 

brahmana, they wanted the facility for nothing, very cheap. Therefore 

the brahminical culture is failure now. They are… They should be 

real brahmanas, ssamo damo. But nobody is prepared to practice samo 

damo titiksa, but he wants the respect of a brahmana. This is the 

cause of India’s culture being failure at the present moment. They… 

\”First deserve, then desire.\” So without deserving, they desired. 

Therefore whole thing is…, it became false. So that is not the 

purpose. Even somebody says that \”Without culture one can remain a 

brahmana,\” but sastra does not say that. Sastra says culture is the 

first consideration. 

                    yasya hi yad laksanam proktam 

                          varnabhivyanjakam 

                     yady anyatrapi vinirdrsyeta 

                        tat tenaiva vinirdiset 

So laksanam must be, laksanam, the symptom, what is brahmanas’ 

symptoms. So my request to you, the Europeans and American boys, you 

have been initiated as brahmana but you must practice the laksana. 

Otherwise, if you think, puffed up, that \”Now I have got the sacred 

thread. My business is finished. I can do whatever I like,\” no. That 

is not. Laksanam. Laksanam means symptoms. That you must observe, 

laksanam. Yasya hi yad laksanam proktam. Then nobody can check you. 

You will be very much dear of Krsna. Namo brahmanya-devaya go 

brahmana-hitaya ca. If you keep yourself in the platform of a true 

brahmana as you are expected… It is not difficult. We have selected 

the four principles: no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication, 

and no gambling. That’s all. If you keep to these practices, then you 

remain. And if you chant, then above brahmana, you become Vaisnava. 

Manmana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru. Qualify yourself as a 

brahmana. Qualify yourself as a Vaisnava. Then your position is 

guaranteed. Kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati. Sure. 

Guranteed. 

761110SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225354/530501 

So Rsabhadeva is teaching us what is the value of brahminical culture. 

Human society without brahminical culture is animal society. We offer 

our obeisances to the Lord, namo brahmanya-devaya go-brahmana-hitaya 

1. Krsna is first of all interested to see whether in the society the

brahmana and the cow is properly respected. Namo brahmanya-devaya 

go-brahmana-hitaya ca. His first business is to see that the brahmana 

and cow is being properly honored. Then jagad-dhitaya. Then 

automatically the whole world will be peaceful. This secret of success 

they do not know. Nobody is prepared to become brahmana, and so far 

cow protection is concerned, it is in the oblivion. This is the whole 

world position. Therefore it is in chaotic condition. It must be, 

because this is animal society. When these two things are neglected, 

it is animal society, and then other animal qualities and 

paraphernalia follow. 

761110SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225357/530501 

Unless we control the base qualities, namely the modes of ignorance 

and passion, you cannot be happy. It is not possible. Tato 

rajas-tamo-bhavah. Rajas tamo-bhavah means kama and lobha. So long I 

have lusty desire and so long I have greediness to acquire more and 

more and more, to enjoy senses more and more That is greediness. One 

should be satisfied, the minimum possible. 

   Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam ca samanyam etat pasubhir naranam. 

Ahara means eating. Ahara, nidra, sleeping, and fearing, and sense 

enjoyment. These are required, but not for increasing but decreasing. 

Just like when a person is diseased he should not eat as he likes. 

Because he is diseased, doctor prescribes that \”You take little barley 

water or glucose, no solid food, if you want to be cured.\” Similarly, 

these things are necessity so long this body is there. 

Ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. But this should be decreased, not 

increased. That is human civilization, not to increase. Just like the 

Gosvamis in Vrndavana. They did not come here to increase 

ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. No. They came here to decrease. 

Nidrahara-viharakadi-vijitau. That is wanted. This is Vrndavana-vasi, 

not that to live in Vrndavana and increase this 

ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. This is not Vrndavana-vasa. The monkeys 

are also living in Vrndavana, and the dogs are also and hogs are 

living in Vrndavana. But they do not know how to decrease 

ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithunam. You’ll see the monkeys. They are also in 

Vrndavana. But you’ll find one male monkey followed by three dozen 

female monkeys. That is not vrndavana-vasa. Ahara-nidra. That means it 

requires brahminical culture, damo, samo. That is wanted. That is 

brahminical culture. 

   Unfortunately the present civilization, they are not meant for 

decreasing. They are simply increasing. The Western civlization means 

increasing the means of sense gratification, \”machine, machine, 

machine, machine.\” So, and the brahminical culture means samo damo 

titiksa. Titiksa means without something I may suffer. Suffer. So one 

should be practiced to suffer. Suffer, that is tapasya. Tapasa 

brahmacaryena. Tapasya begins from celibacy. We are practiced to sex 

life or sense gratification. Tapasya means first of all stop this. 

Tapasa brahmacaryena. This is practice. 

   So to become fit for going back to home, back to Godhead, it is not 

so easy. It is not so easily… We have to make our material life 

almost zero. Not almost zero–practically zero. Anyabhilasita-sunyam. 

That is wanted, practice. Therefore this, our Krsna consciousness 

761110SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225361/530501 

That is called greediness. The Vedic civilization teaches that \”Be 

satisfied with the minimum necessities of life. Don’t increase 

unnecessary necessities of life, and then you have to work for it very 

hard like hogs and dogs.\” That’s all. Then you have to work very… 

Modern world, they have increased their unnecessary necessities of 

life, and therefore you’ll find how hard working. In European and 

American cities we have seen how people are working very hard, 

beginning from morning at five o’clock till four o’clock next night, 

for sense gratification. So this is not civilization. This is 

condemned civilization. Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kastan kaman 

arhate vid-bhujam ye. This is not civilization. This is animal 

civilization, working so hard day and night for eating.  

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The bhakti-yoga we are teaching in this Krsna 

consciousness movement twenty-four hours’ engagement. Superficially we 

engage from four o’clock in the morning till ten o’clock at night, and 

that is resting time. But when one is advanced in devotional service, 

while sleeping he also serves Krsna. That means twenty-four hours, 

satatam. That depends on Because in sleeping you also dream, so what 

we do during daytime we dream at night. So if one is cent percent 

engaged in Krsna’s service, naturally he’ll dream also at night. I 

have seen one of our intimate relative. He was a businessman, selling 

cloth. So in dream also he was quoting price of cloth. So that is 

natural. That is not unnatural. Therefore we have to practice. At the 

time of death, somehow or other, if we quote the price of Krsna, then 

our life are successful. Therefore we should practice: Hare Krsna, 

Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare. Yam yam vapi smaran bhavam tyajaty 

ante kalevaram. If we practice Krsna, then naturally it is expected 

that at the time of death we remember Krsna. Then immediately we are 

transferred to the Krsnaloka, immediately. Tyaktva deham punar janma 

naiti mam eti. Immediately. There is no doubt about it. Simple thing, 

but it requires practice. 

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Vasudevah sarvam iti. That is pure sattva, when there is no other 

conception, simply Vasudeva. Vasudeva is the platform. Just like 

Vasudeva was the father of Krsna. When Krsna appeared, Vasudeva was 

the father. So suddha-sattva is Vasudeva. Vasudeva means there is no 

contamination of ignorance or passion, simply sattva-guna. Tato rajas 

tamo bhava kama-lobhadayas ca ye, ceta etair anaviddham. When your 

mind and consciousness will not be contaminated by the modes of 

ignorance and passion, that is suddha-sattva. That is suddha-sattva. 

That is spiritual platform, vasudeva. Then Vasudeva will beget Krsna. 

Sattvam visuddham vasudeva-sabditam. So if we purify our existence, 

another Krsna comes or Krsna’s devotees come. They come in 

suddha-sattva. Sattvam paramam pavitram 

761114SB.VRN                   Lectures      This child is so crying. From three 

miles we can hear. Balanam rodanam balam. This is strength of the 

children, crying. They can disturb the whole world (laughter) simply 

by crying. So just see. This is the body, immediately. You cannot cry 

like that. Even if you are aggrieved, you cannot cry so loudly that up 

to four miles one can hear. That is not possible. Why it is not 

possible? Because he has got a different body and you have got a 

different. Everything is going on according to the body. This is 

maha-vimoha. This is going on, 8,400,000’s of different forms of body… 

761114SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225434/530501 

se rase majiya, mukhe bolo hari hari. This is instruction, that we can 

chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, we can chant the holy name of the 

Lord, purely, without offense. Because if we can chant Hare Krsna 

maha-mantra once only–if it is pure–then immediately you become 

liberated. Ekara hari name yata papa hare, papi haya tata papa 

karibare nare. Harinama is so powerful that once chanting, immediately 

vanquishes the accumulated sinful reaction of millions of lives. Papi 

haya tata papa karibare. Every papi, sinful man, is very expert in 

committing sinful activities. But harinama is so expert that once 

chanted, the papi, the sinful man, will be failure to commit sin 

anymore. 

   But the difficulty is that we cannot come to the pure stage of 

chanting Hare Krsna mantra. Due to our past habits our mind is 

disturbed. We cannot concentrate. Therefore we have fixed up the 

minimum. We cannot imitate Haridasa Thakura. That is not possible. If 

somebody imitates Haridasa Thakura… We can see this chanting Hare 

Krsna and smoking bidi. We can understand what is the position. The 

offense is going on. Therefore we should try to avoid the ten kinds of 

offenses. Of course, in the beginning the offenses will continue. But 

chanting, chanting, chanting, chanting, as soon as we become purified 

Ceto-darpana-marjanam bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam. By chanting, 

chanting, chanting repeatedly, when our, the core of heart will be 

cleansed, ceto-darpana-marjanam, then immediately 

bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam, this maha-vimoha… 

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Kanistha-adhikari, he worships the Deity, but he does not know how to 

do good to others, neither he knows who is devotee. In the 

kanistha-adhikara, in the lower stage of devotional service, one 

cannot distinguish. But he should be engaged fully in Deity worship so 

that gradually he will develop his maha-bhagavata stage. And 

madhyama-adhikari means he knows how to make others hari-jana, or 

devotee. 

                         isvare tad-adhinesu 

                         balisesu dvisatsu ca 

                       prema-maitri-krpa upeksa 

                       yah karoti sa madhyamah 

He not only worships the Deity wholeheartedly… That is prema. Isvare 

prema. But beyond that, tad adhinesu–he knows how to respect the 

devotees, tad adhinesu, isvara adhinesu. That means other devotees. 

Then he becomes madhyama-adhikari. If he simply takes care of the 

Deity worship and if he does not offer respectful behavior to another 

devotee, he is kanistha-adhikari. He is in the lower stage. So isvare 

tad adhinesu. He must see that \”Here is a devotee.\” He must have power 

to see that “here is a devotee”. 

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It is not possible nowadays to imitate Rsabhadeva. Just like the Jains, 

they imitate that. What their imitation…? Not a single Jain up till 

now has become perfectly in the renounced order of life. So they say 

1. It was imitated by one king in the South India, and he is the

originator, propounder of the Jainism. They say. But you cannot 

imitate Rsabhadeva. That is not possible in this age. Better try to 

follow the instruction of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Krsna. Your life 

will be perfect. 

761120SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225556/530501 

So here is incarnation of God, Rsabhadeva. Now there are so many 

rascal incarnation. Is it possible to pass stool and make it surabhi? 

Is it possible? So you can ask these rascals incarnation that \”Pass 

your stool here. Let us see first of all. Then we shall accept you.\” 

Practical. \”We are fools and rascals. We want practical test.\” So 

sastra-caksusah. This is the injunction, sastra. Here is sastra, that 

the incarnation of God, even He passes stool, it is fragrant. He can 

do it. That is God. That practically you can see, that the cow dung… 

Cow dung, you can make a stack of cow dung here. It will never disturb 

you. You’ll, rather, feel pleasure, passing through that portion of 

field where cow dung is stacked. You’ll never feel any disturbance 

because it is pure. Cow dung… We have discussed this point many 

times. Where it is impure, that it makes pure. In Indian villages, 

still they use cow dung for smearing over the floor, and it becomes 

very nice, fresh, and purified. That is injunction of the sastra, that 

cow dung is pure. So if by the will of Krsna, by the arrangement of 

Krsna, even an animal’s stool can become so purified, what to speak of 

Krsna’s stool? 

761120SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225558/530501 

Krsna in truth. It requires time. He… Not all of a sudden you can 

understand. But if you stick to devotional service, sevonmukhe hi 

jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah, then He reveals. When you engage 

your tongue… It is also wonderful. To understand Krsna, you require 

your tongue. Generally we understand by seeing or by hearing. Hearing 

is there, but here it is recommended tongue, especially. Why tongue is 

used? Because if you simply chant Hare Krsna by your tongue and taste 

Krsna prasadam, you will understand Krsna. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau 

svayam eva sphuraty adah. If you make it a promise that \”I shall not 

talk anything except Krsna’s message,\” and if you promise that \”I 

shall not take anything which is not offered to Krsna,\” these two 

things, this prasadam and chanting, will make you perfect to 

understand Krsna.  

761122SB.VRN                   Lectures                  225606/530501 

shall continue to be individuals.\” There is no question of oneness. 

Oneness means to agree to serve Krsna. That is oneness. There is no 

disobedience, \”Whatever You say, I accept\”–that is oneness. 

Anukulyena krsnanusilanam. That is oneness. At the present moment we 

differ. We make differences. \”Here is the opinion of the American. 

Here is the opinion of Indian. Here is the opinion of the German. Here 

is the opinion of the sudra, and so on, so on. So here means 

disagreement, always disagreement. Because I am envious of you, you 

are envious of me, so how there can be agreement? So wherefrom this 

enviousness has begun? Because we are envious of Krsna. Because we are 

envious of Krsna–\”Why Krsna become God? I am also God.\” This is the 

beginning of enviousness, this rascaldom, that \”Why Krsna shall become 

alone God?\” He said, mam ekam saranam. \”Why Krsna alone?\” They say, 

the rascal philosophers say, ‘This is sophistry. It is demanding too 

much. Mam ekam saranam vraja. Why? Why shall I accept You as the 

Supreme?\” This enviousness begins. This is the beginning of envy. 

   So we become envious, each other. I am envious of you, you are 

envious of me. So this Krsna consciousness is not meant for the 

envious persons. It is meant for very liberal, panditah sama-darsinah. 

One who has become sama-darsinah, he is perfectly learned. And that is 

very difficult. It is meant for them. Dharmah projjhita-kaitavo atra 

paramo nirmatsaranam. It is not meant for such bhangi (?), one who 

thinks that \”My Hinduism is better than your Muhammadanism,\” or he 

thinks, \”My Muhammadanism is better than your Hinduism.\” The 

matsaratam, it is in religious platform… There is matsara. That 

matsarata dharma, that kind of religious system… Just like there are 

everywhere the same thing. In Ireland the fighting is going on between 

the Protestants and the Catholics. Is it not? Going on continuously. 

Now it has become so dangerous that you cannot walk on the street. At 

any moment there will be bombs. Last time when I was in London I had 

the experience. All of a sudden our car was diverted. The police came: 

\”There is bomb. You cannot go there.\” So this is going on. In London, 

in Germany, and other places it has become a terrible place. At any 

moment there can be bomb. And what is the bombing? The fight between 

the Catholics and the Roman Catholics and Protestants. Just like we 

have got experience, Pakistan and India, in 1947. Calcutta itself 

became divided into two, Pakistan and Hindustan. Nobody was going. 

There is one big road, Chitpoor Road. So up to Hanson Road, it is 

Hindustan, and after that, it is Pakistan. The Pakistanis did not dare 

to come to this side. 

   So this is matsara. The matsarata, enviousness, that is the nature 

of this material world. Therefore Krsna consciousness, 

krsna-bhakti-rasa-bhavita-matih, it is very, very rare. Rupa Gosvami 

said, \”This rare thing, if you can purchase, do it immediately 

wherever available.\”  

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   So those who are atma-rama, those who have taken to the 

bhakti-yoga, their karma-phala is finished. Karmani nirdahati kintu ca 

bhakti-bhajam. They are not… The devotee may be observed that he’s 

also engaged in ordinary work. He’s also printing books and selling 

them and maintaining mathas and temples. \”So he is also doing 

business.\” No, that is not business. That is bhakti. Sometimes bhakti 

appears to be like ordinary karma, but it is not karma. It is karma in 

this way, that the same peas, it looks like peas, but if you sow it, 

it will not produce anymore. Bharjitani. Ava-bharjitani. Yajnarthe 

karmano ‘nyatra loko ‘yam karma-bandhanah. If you work for Krsna, it 

appears to be ordinary work, but it is not ordinary work. It is not 

the cause of bandhanah. But if you work for Krsna, there is no more 

karma-bandhanah. Karmani nirdahati ca kintu ca bhakti-bhajam. All 

others… Yas tv indragopam maha indra… There is a germ, it is 

called indragopa. From indragopa to that Indra the King of heaven, 

everyone is bound up by the laws of karma. Everyone is bound up. But a 

bhakta is not bound up. How he can be bound up? Because as soon as he 

surrenders to Krsna, Krsna gives him assurance, aham tvam 

sarvapapebhyo moksayisyami; immediately finish… 

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 \”Never trust woman and politician.\” So Canakya Pandita was not inexperienced; he was very experienced. All the slokas of Canakya Pandita–very useful for daily 

affairs. So similarly, we should not trust the mind, that \”Now I have 

become liberated.\” Never think so. We should always remember that 

liberation is not so easy thing, but if we follow the rules and 

regulation, then there is every possibility of becoming liberated… 

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If you keep always within your mind Krsna, Krsna’s lotus feet, you can 

see Krsna’s lotus feet, Deity, Baladeva, Balarama, how He is nicely 

standing… You can see the nice lotus feet. Don’t try to see the face 

all of a sudden. Try, practice to see the lotus feet constantly. Sa 

vai manah krsna-padara… This is a chance. This temple means to 

practice how to think of Krsna’s lotus feet, Balarama’s lotus feet, 

always. Man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah. Immediately you become bhakta. And 

as soon as you become a bhakta, kecit kevalaya bhaktya 

vasudeva-parayanah, dhunvanti agham krtsnam: all kinds of disturbances 

will be subsided, dhunvanti. Niharam iva bhaskarah. This is the sastra 

injunction. 

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Therefore in the beginning, the neophyte devotees they 

should not try to understand the dealings of the gopis with Krsna. 

They should not try to understand. Unless one is free from the 

material concept, sarvopadhi vinirmuktam tat-paratvena nirmalam. That 

means we have to execute devotional service in the regulative 

principle. \”I cannot follow the regulative principle and I am trying 

to understand Radha-Krsna prema,\” this is rascaldom. This is 

rascaldom. Only rascals will do that. He does not see his position, 

that \”What is my position? I am still full of lusty desires. My mind 

is still disturbed by seeing a nice woman or nice man, and I am 

discussing Radha-Krsna?\” This is nonsense. Narottama dasa Thakura 

said, rupa- raghunatha pade haibe akuti kabe hama bujhabo se 

yugala-piriti. Unless you are expert in devotional service, by 

practical application of the instruction of Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu… 

Rupa-raghunatha pade haibe akuti. Then if we are qualified, then some 

day we may be able to understand what is yugala-piriti, love between 

Krsna and Radharani. Not so sudden. That is sahajiya. Not so sudden. 

We should not try to do that. First of all I must see how much I have 

become sarvopadhi vinirmuktam, how much I am free from the 

designational position. Then we shall be able. 

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Pradyumna: \”Lord Rsabhadeva was the head of all kings and emperors 

within this universe, but assuming the dress and language of an 

avadhuta, He acted as if dull and materially bound. Consequently, no 

one could observe His divine opulence. He adopted this behavior just 

to teach yogis how to give up the body. Nonetheless, He maintained His 

original position as a plenary expansion of Lord Vasudeva, Krsna. 

Remaining always in that state, He gave up His pastimes as Lord 

Rsabhadeva within the material world. If, following in the footsteps 

of Lord Rsabhadeva, one can give up his subtle body, there is no 

chance that one will accept a material body again.\” 

Prabhupada.. So this is also opulence of Krsna. Jadavad 

avadhuta-vesa. Although He is the proprietor, sarva-loka-mahesvaram, 

still, this is another opulence, how to become renounced. This is 

another opulence. It is as good as the other opulences. Aisvaryasya 

samagrasya……queens, and millions of descendants, yadu-vamsa. This is 

another side, and this is another side, vairagya. Jnana-vairagya. 

Jnana. We can understand a little piece of His contribution of jnana, 

Bhagavad-gita. That is a little piece of His stock of knowledge. Five 

thousand years He spoke, and still it is being continued, not only in 

India, but also all over the world. This is jnana. So 

anyway–strength. When He was seven years old, Krsna, He lifted the 

Govardhana Hill. Jnana- vairagya, everything complete. That is God. 

Nothing less. Not that, that \”I am rich man, but I cannot lie down on 

the street.\” Not that kind of vairagya. He is complete, completely 

different from a rich person. Akhila-loka-pala. He is the controller 

of the whole universe; still, you see His vairagya. 

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But here Krsna as Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Krsna as 

Rsabhadeva, Krsna as Krsna Himself, They are teaching us how to become 

pure devotee, because sva kalevaram jihasur atmanah. Before leaving 

your, this body, you must be self-realized. That is the aim of life. 

Bahunam janmanam ante. We have got this life, human form of life, and 

how to utilize this human form of life? How to achieve the 

vairagya-vidya? This is vairagya-vidya, no more interest in material 

things. That is vairagya-vidya. Even to the body. That is… 

Rsabhadeva is teaching us. This is vairagya-vidya. Bhakti-yoga means 

vairagya. Caitanya Mahaprabhu also has spoken the same thing, 

niskincanasya bhagavad bhajanonmukhasya. Niskincanasya. If you 

actually want to become a pure devotee, then you have to make this 

material way of life completely zero. Anyabhilasita-sunyam. Then it 

will be possible. If you have still a pinch of attraction for material 

life, then it will be stopped, your promotion to the other, spiritual 

world. Simply attachment to Krsna, that will make you advanced.  

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   So anyone who has accepted this material world as very 

comfortable… It is not comfortable; it is simply suffering. Krsna 

says, duhkhalayam asasvatam. And still, if we want to be happy in this 

material world, bahir-artha-maninah. These fools, they are trying to 

be happy within this material world. Material means external energy. 

Bahir-artha-maninah. Na te viduh svartha gatim hi visnum durasaya. 

This is durasaya, the hope which will never be fulfilled. But this we 

do not… Maya-sukhaya bharam udvahato vimudhan. So unless there is 

vairagya, there is no question of happiness. But we cannot attain 

vairagya immediately; therefore the vidhi-marga, vidhi-marga-bhakti, 

to rise early in the morning, to attend mangala arati, to offer Deity 

flowers, fruits, and in this way we shall be engaged twenty-four 

hours. Then vairagya-vidya will gradually develop. Anarthopasamam 

saksad bhakti-yogam adhoksaje. Then the anartha… This material life 

is simply anartha, has no meaning, because we are creating another 

life. Without any spiritual knowledge, if we simply give ourself to 

the action and reaction of material nature, then we are making 

progress on the path of mrtyu- samsara vartmani. And if we attain 

Krsna, then mam upetya kaunteya duhkhalayam asasvatam, napnuvanti. The 

two ways. 

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    Caitanya Mahaprabhu, to receive some blessings from the brahmanas, when He was 

boy He was voluntarily trying to give some service to the brahmanas 

who were engaged in bathing in the Ganges. He’ll clear the place 

because the brahmana, after taking bath in the Ganges, would sit down, 

would chant mantra. So He’ll cleanse and He’ll wash the cloth, and 

in… Voluntarily He was doing that, service. So one brahmana blessed 

Him, \”My dear boy, You’ll be very happy in your family life. You’ll 

have good wife, very opulent position.\” And Caitanya Mahaprabhu was 

blocking the ears. The brahmana said, \”What is this?\” \”No, this is not 

blessing, sir.\” \”Oh, it is not blessing? Then You’ll never be happy in 

Your family life.\” \”Yes, this is the…\” (laughter) \”This is all 

right.\” So therefore He took sannyasa. Arya-vacasa yad agad aranyam. 

Similarly, Lord Ramacandra, arya-vacasa yad agad aranyam. These are 

the characteristic of the Personality of Godhead. Try to follow Them, 

not imitate, but follow them. 

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 Similarly, the mercy cloud, karunya, karuna, 

ghanaghanatvam… So just like ordinary cloud is made possible by 

evaporating water from the sea, similarly, Krsna has the sea of mercy, 

karunayamaya, karuna-sagara. Krsna’s another name is Karuna-sagara. So 

as the air evaporate or the heat evaporate from the sea, and the cloud 

is formed in the sky, similarly, one who has connection or the power 

to evaporate the mercy sea of Krsna, he can extinguish the samsara 

davanala. And that is guru. Guru is the cloud or he is the agent of 

drying water from the ocean of mercy of Krsna and turn it into a mercy 

cloud and pour water on the samsara davanala, and then it is 

extinguished. Samsara davanala-lidha-loka-tranaya 

karunya-ghanaghanatvam, praptasya kalyana. 

   Therefore guru must be authorized person, not that 

bhumi-phala-guru(?). No. \”I am guru,\” no. You cannot become guru 

unless you are agent to draw out the mercy water from the ocean of 

mercy of Krsna. That is guru. And therefore a guru is not an ordinary 

person. He is the representative, bona fide representative of Krsna. 

Bhaktivinoda Thakura has sung, krsna se tomara, krsna dite para: 

\”Vaisnava Thakura, Krsna is your property. If you like, you can give.\” 

Vedesu durlabham adurlabham atma-bhaktau. You cannot get Krsna by 

studying Vedas. That is not possible. There is Krsna in the Vedas, but 

you cannot pick up. It is not possible. But if you go to the Krsna’s 

favorite person… Kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya. Krsna’s very 

dear servant, confidential servant, is guru. Nobody can become guru 

unless he is in confidence of Krsna. Na ca tasmad manusyesu kascid me 

priya-krttamah. These things are there. Not that by magic one can 

become guru. No. . 

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cannot be changed. God’s word cannot be changed. Then what will be the 

difference between God and ourself? He is always perfect. He is always 

perfect. What He said forty millions of years ago, what He said five 

thousand years ago, that is also correct up to date. That is sastra. 

Not that \”So many years have passed and it has become old. Now let us 

reform it and put it into new way.\” No. You can put the same thing in 

a new way, but you cannot change the principle. Sadhu sastra 

guru-vakya, tinete kariya aikya. Sastra is never changed. And the 

sadhu… Sadhu means who follows the sastras. He is sadhu. He also 

does not change. Sadhu, sastra. And guru? Guru means who follows the 

sastra and sadhu. So there are three, the same. A guru will not 

change, that \”It was spoken five thousand years ago. That is not 

applicable now. Now I am giving you something new, jugglery.\” He is 

useless. Sadhu sastra guru-vakya tinete kariya aikya. Yah 

sastra-vidhim utsrjya vartate kama karatah, na siddhim avapnoti. These 

things are there. 

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   Sometimes bhakti is observed as similar to the activities of the 

karmis, but there is difference. One is bhakti, one is going back to 

home, back to Godhead; and the other is going forward to the hellish 

condition of life by the same activities. This is the technique. How 

it is possible? It is possible. By practical example, it is said in 

the sastras… Just like if you take more quantity of milk 

preparation, you get diarrhea. But the same milk preparation, yogurt, 

is there. It will stop diarrhea. Both of them are milk preparation. 

One has created the disease diarrhea, and another is stopping 

diarrhea. So why? Cikirsitam. One is by medical process and the other 

is without any medical process. The medical process is to satisfy 

Krsna. Here the building is being constructed to satisfy Krsna. To 

satisfy Krsna. And in other places the building is constructed to 

satisfy senses. This is the difference, material and spiritual. 

   Material means to satisfy one’s senses. Nunam pramattah kurute 

vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti. Karma means they are working very 

hard like dogs and hogs, but the purpose is indriya-priti. Nunam 

pramattah: they are mad. They should not… And why mad? Because the 

karma means you are creating another body. And as soon as there is 

another body, dehantara-praptir, so long you have got this material 

body, you’ll suffer. That is the law of nature. Karmanu bandhah. Yavan 

priti mayi deve… tavat karmanu bandhanah. The karmanu-bandha will 

continue. Therefore in the sastra it is recommended, yajnarthe karma 

anyatra karma-bandhanah. Don’t act anything except for the 

satisfaction of Krsna. That is Krsna consciousness movement. If you do 

anything for your sense gratification, that means you are being bound 

up by the laws of karma. Laws of karma, it is very strict according to 

the modes of activities. Purusah prakrti-stho hi bhunkte karma-jan 

gunan. 

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But at the present moment people are so 

engrossed with material affairs that they are not interested even to 

hear or to talk about Krsna consciousness. That is not a very good 

sign. It is the feverish condition of durbhiksa. That is mentioned in 

the Srimad-Bhagavatam, that people in general, when they come to the 

point of suffering from natural law, then they will revive their 

nitya-siddha krsna-bhakti. So therefore, as I was speaking in this 

morning, we have to elevate the human civilization from a platform 

which is on equal level with hog civilization. We should very 

carefully study and try to know whether the advancement of 

civilization which we have accepted is genuine. No. It is not genuine. 

It is misleading. Our aim of life is not to get a comfortable life for 

few years. Actually, there is no comfortable life. Still, we consider 

and forget our real business, self-realization. Apasyatam atma-tattvam 

grhesu grha-medhinam. 

750520SB.MEL                   Lectures                  225821/530501 

trees and plants, not moving. Then they move–flies, grasshoppers. And 

they turn into birds again, very freely flying. And there are many, 

many big birds in the sky, eagles. Some of the eagles, you have got 

experience. There are monkey-eating eagles. They capture the monkey. 

And there are eagles elephant-eating. (laughter) We get all this 

information. Elephant, they will capture elephant and take it away. 

(laughter) Just imagine. It is no joking. This is a fact. 

   So there are so many birds, eagle birds, they fly, and they go from 

one planet to another. They are resting… Just like a bird you see, 

they fly from one tree to another tree. So their resting place is one 

planet to another. Just see. You are trying to go to the moon planet 

bogusly. I’ll say bogusly because you could not go there. The moon 

planet is far away from the sun planet. So it is not possible to go 

750520SB.MEL                   Lectures                  225832/530501 

blood and urines and stool and kapha and mucus and so many things, if 

we consider this body as \”I am, the soul,\” do you mean to say that is 

very good knowledge? No. That is go-kharah. Go-kharah means animal. Go 

means cow and kharah means ass. So these animal think like that, \”I am 

this body.\” And if a man thinks like that, he is no better than the 

animal. That is not possible. Do you mean to say by combination of 

this blood, flesh, bones, urine, and stool and so many other things, 

you can, by combination, make a person like big scientist, 

philosopher, mathematician, by combination of these ingredients? Is it 

possible? Then there are much quantity of blood and flesh and this in 

the slaughterhouse. You bring and mix with them stool and urine and 

make a Professor Einstein. (laughter) You are advanced scientist. You 

bring this ingredient and make a very intelligent man. So this is all 

foolishness. Sa eva go-kharah. Anyone who thinks this body as the 

self, then he is in the animal kingdom. One, if anyone wants spiritual 

knowledge, he first of all know what is spirit, then spiritual 

knowledge. If you have no idea of spirit, what is the value of your 

spiritual knowledge? There is no value. Sa eva go-kharah. 

   So this Krsna consciousness movement is giving that enlightenment, 

that you are not this body.  

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If you want to go to the higher planetary system where the demigods 

live, you can go there. Therefore the karmis, by performing Vedic 

ritualistic ceremonies, they want elevation to the higher planetary 

system where the life, prolongation of life is very, very big. As we 

have got day and night, in the higher planetary system the waxing and 

waning moon, then when the moon is present there and the sky is in 

light, that is the day of the higher planetary system. And when the 

moon is dark, that is the night. That means our fifteen days, in the 

higher planetary system–twelve hours. Just imagine their year. And 

such ten thousands of years you can live if you can go to the moon 

planet. The day and night, fifteen days, your fifteen days, is equal 

to their one day. No, twelve hours. That means your one month is their 

one day. Now calculate one day, then thirty days, one month. Then 

twelve months equal to one year. Such ten thousands of years. Just 

imagine. You can go there and live like that, yanti deva-vrata devan, 

if you like. But that is not eternal life. After that long period, you 

have to die. So Krsna says 

janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-duhkha-dosanudarsanam. You are trying to avoid 

all kinds of miserable condition, but your real miserable condition is 

your birth, death, old age, and disease. Try to avoid it. That is 

perfection. That is spiritual life. 

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Devotee (1): Srila Prabhupada, you were saying that because the body 

has arms and legs, then the coat has a similar shape. Then does the 

spirit soul that’s within our body have arms and legs like that? 

Prabhupada: Yes. 

Devotee (1): Would the spirit soul that is within, say, a cow’s body, 

is in a different shape? 

Prabhupada: Yes. It has got also legs. But the shape has taken 

according to his desire. Every animal has got these four things. Just 

like bird, it has got two wings, two legs. The animal has got four 

legs. And the man has got two hands, two legs. So the same parts of 

the body, they are appearing in a different type. But the four limbs 

of the body are there. Hm? 

Devotee (2): Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form? 

Madhudvisa: The question is that whether the eternal form of the 

spirit soul is a human form or is it… 

Prabhupada: Yes, human form. God is also human form. \”Man is made 

after the shape of God.\” I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So 

God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs. 

Hari-sauri: How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and 

flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms? 

Prabhupada: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your 

body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not 

the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are 

not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of 

the soul. 

Hari-sauri: They are covered in the spiritual world? 

Madhudvisa: He is asking if they were actually covered in the 

spiritual world as well. 

Prabhupada: Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some 

devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I 

want that \”As a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna,\” 

he becomes flower, voluntarily. And he can change his…, from flower 

to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If 

some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as 

calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, 

as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. Ye yatha mam prapadyante 

tams tathaiva bhajamy aham. That is Krsna’s all-powerfulness, 

spiritual life. 

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Prabhupada: Initiation is the third stage. First stage is that… Just 

like you have come. This is called sraddha, faith, little faith, not 

full faith. Then you have to increase this faith by association of 

devotee. That is required. And when the faith is increased, then the 

question of initiation. Initiation should not be immediately offered. 

That will be misused. Therefore when we initiate, we inquire from the 

head of the temple, \”How long he is coming? What is his behavior?\” If 

he certifies that \”Yes, he is doing nice,\” then we initiate. Our 

initiation is not so cheap, \”You come and be initiated.\” No, we do not 

do that. We must test you first of all. Then we initiate. 

Madhudvisa: His question was that can you take initiation by accepting 

the spiritual master in your heart without actually taking… 

Prabhupada: These are bogus proposition. It has no meaning. (laughter) 

It has no meaning. If you think within yourself, \”I am eating,\” will 

you be satisfied? You starve and simply think, \”I have eaten 

everything.\” (laughter) Is that very practical proposal? You must eat. 

We don’t say all these bogus proposition. All right. Thank you very 

much. (end) 

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the same thing, as cats and dogs are trying. The cats and dogs, they 

are also trying to find out where it is, food, where sleeping comfort, 

where sex life, and where defense. If the human form of life is also 

utilized for this purpose, pravrtti-marga, then it is, as I was 

talking in the park, it is just like using sandalwood for burning 

fuel. There is distinction even in wood. There are so many jungle 

wood, we can use it for cooking. But if the sandalwood, which is so 

valuable, if we do not know what is the value of sandalwood, if we use 

it for cooking and burning… Similarly, if we use this human form of 

life exactly like the cats and dogs, simply for sense gratification, 

then we are committing suicide. 

   The whole Vedic civilization means how to utilize this human form 

of life for better purposes. Even modern scientific point of view. Not 

scientific, but they say. Accepting their version… Just like 

Darwin’s theory: by evolution you come to the human form of life. 

what is after this form? Then they have no information. … 

Accepting that from monkey one becomes a human being, so what next life? If 

the evolution is… That is also accepted in the Padma Purana, 

8,400,000 species, forms of life, and then we come to this human form 

of life. What is next? That is the question. But they have no 

knowledge. They have no sense. They cannot explain what is next. And 

there is next life. If by evolutionary process through the channel of 

so many species of life, 900,000 aquatics. Jalaja nava-laksani 

sthavara laksa… Two millions trees and plants, then 1100,000 

insects, and one million species of birds, and then 33,000,000 species 

of animals, four-legged animals, pasu. And then we get this human form 

of life, especially civilized form of life. Then what is next? That 

question nobody inquires, neither there is answer by the so-called 

modern scientist, that what is next. 

   But the answer is there. Answer is there in the Vedic literature 

that there is higher planetary system.  

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catus-padam. The animals which has no leg–that means which cannot 

move… The plants, the grass, the trees, they cannot move. They have 

got leg, but they cannot move. Their legs are made for eating. As your 

mouth is made for eating, the trees… Therefore they are called 

pada-pa. They drink water by the leg. This is God’s creation. You 

cannot think that how it is possible to drink water by the leg, but it 

is God’s creation. You see. You pour water on the leg of the tree; it 

becomes very luxuriant, healthy. So different. And so far God is 

concerned, He can eat with legs; He can see with hands; He can eat 

with eyes. That is God. That is God. Angani yasya 

sakalendriya-vrttimanti pasyanti panti kalayanti ciram jaganti. 

Angani, that is transcendental. He is not under any rule. He is not 

under any rule. If you say, \”Why Krsna is eating by the eyes?\” yes, 

that is Krsna. That is Krsna. If you offer something, Krsna, simply by 

seeing, He is eating. That is Krsna. And again if you say, \”If He is 

eating, why the plate is full?\” that is Krsna. Purnasya purnam adaya 

purnam evavasisyate. Krsna is not a hungry man like me, that \”If you 

give Me something, I will eat everything, finished.\” No. Krsna can 

take the whole plate; still it will remain the whole plate, for giving 

prasadam. 

   So try to understand Krsna in this way. And if you actually 

understand Krsna, you are liberated immediately. Janma karma ca divyam 

me yo janati tattvatah. How Krsna eats, how Krsna thinks, how Krsna 

works, if you understand all these things, then immediately you become 

liberated. Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti. You immediately 

become. The only thing is we are rotting in this material world 

because we do not know Krsna. That is the… You’ll not be admitted in 

the spiritual kingdom unless you know Krsna, what He is. And as soon 

as you understand Krsna, you are fit–\” 

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Madhudvisa: We have been here for many lifetimes performing sinful 

activities. So is it possible to counteract all those sinful 

activities in one lifetime, or does it require many…? 

Prabhupada: One minute. That is Krsna consciousness movement. One 

minute. You are not reading Bhagavad-gita? What Krsna says? 

Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja, aham tvam 

sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami: \”You surrender unto Me. Give up your all 

business. I will give you relief from all sinful reaction 

immediately.\” So it requires one minute. \”My dear Krsna, I was 

forgotten. Now I understand. I fully surrender unto you.\” Then you 

become immediately free from all sinful reactions. Without any 

reservation, without any politics, if you fully surrender, Krsna is 

assuring, aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah. He 

reassures, \”Don’t worry whether I will be able to give you relief from 

all reaction.\” Ma sucah. \”Finished, guaranteed. You do this.\” So how 

much time it requires to surrender to Krsna? Immediately you can do 

that. Surrender means you surrender and work as Krsna says. That is 

surrender. What Krsna says to do? Man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji 

mam namaskuru. Four things: \”You always think of Me, and you become My 

devotee, you worship Me, and offer your respect, full obeisances unto 

Me.\” You do these four things? That is full surrender. Mam evaisyasi 

asamsaya: \”Then you come to Me without any doubt.\” Everything is 

there. Krsna has given everything fully. If you accept it, then life 

is very simple. There is no difficulty. Yes? 

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 We understand that we are trying to be happy. 

Actually, this material world, there is no happiness, but to 

counteract the agency of distress, we accept, \”That is happiness. That 

is happiness.\” Just like I have no apartment, but to counteract this 

inconvenience, if I try my utmost to get a good apartment I feel, \”Oh, 

now I am happy. I am happy.\” What is this happiness? How long you 

shall remain in this apartment? Suppose you have got, purchased, now 

long you will live? So here happiness means to counteract the force of 

distress is called happiness. Actually there is no happiness. This is 

called maya. Just like I am in distressed condition, puzzled, I take 

some intoxication. This is called happiness. I remain in the same 

condition. After my intoxication is over, I come back again into the 

same condition, but I am thinking (I am) happy. This is called maya. 

Maya means… Ma means \”not,\” ya means \”this.\” \”You are thinking like 

this, but it is not this.\” This is called maya. You are thinking that 

you are happy, but you are not happy. So we are seeing that a criminal 

is arrested by the police and he is put into the prisonhouse. We know 

that he is put into trouble, but still, in spite of seeing that \”This 

kind of criminality will put me also into such kind of distress,\” but 

still, I commit that thing. This is the influence of maya.  

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   You have read in the Caitanya-caritamrta that one Buddhimanta Khan, 

he was formerly… He was very rich man and Nawab Hussain Shah was the 

servant when he was not Nawab. So he was menial servant. So he stole 

some money as servants are generally habituated. So he whipped him 

with his cane. So that whipping stripe was on his back side. When he 

was Nawab, so his wife saw it and inquired, \”What is this scar?\” So he 

replied the whole story, that \”I was formerly a menial servant to this 

Buddhimanta Khan and I did something wrong. So as my father, he 

punished me. That’s all. He was treating me as my son.\” So he admitted 

that he was so kind. But his wife said, \”Oh, this scar is a 

defamation. If somebody sees and you explain, then it will be known 

that you were a menial servant previously.\” So the Nawab did not mind. 

He: \”What is that? I may be… Now what I am, that’s all.\” So the wife 

requested that \”This man should be killed so that he may not disclose 

the secret of your life, that you were a menial servant in his house.\” 

And \”No, no, no. This is… This cannot be. He is just like my father. 

How can I kill him? This is not possible.\” And just see. Then she 

advised, \”At least make him Mohammedan. Convert him to be a 

Mohammedan.\” In those days it was not very difficult. If somebody, a 

Mohammedan, takes water from his water pot and simply sprinkle in 

somebody’s body, he becomes Mohammedan. The Hindu society was so 

rascal. Still they are. Simply by sprinkling water from the pot of a 

Mohammedan he becomes Mohammedan. So this Nawab said, \”All right, I 

shall sprinkle water. Let him do what he likes,\” to satisfy his wife. 

So he did it. When he did it–then the society was so strong–he went 

to the bhattacarya to consult: \”Oh, sir, I have been sprinkled water 

by a Mohammedan. So what prayascitta?\” What is called? What is the 

English of prayascitta, compensation? 

Revatinandana: Some penance. 

Prabhupada: No, no. Atonement. \”So what kind of atonement I have to 

do?\” So the bhattacarya advised him that \”You take one kilo of lead 

and melt it and drink it, and that is your atonement.\” You see? So he 

said, \”How it is possible?\” \”This is the atonement for such sinful 

activity. Yes.\” Just see. For the last five hundred, six hundred 

years… Why…? For thousands of years the Hindu society is so 

fallen. Therefore so many Mohammedans have increased here. They are 

not imported. In this way the Hindu population, they have been forced 

to accept Mohammedan religion. You see? By the Mohammedans. Just like 

Aurangzeb. He imposed one tax for the Hindus. So all the poor men 

class, to avoid the tax they became Mohammedans. And there was so much 

punishment by the Hindus. And so he became a Mohammedan, so-called 

Mohammedan, by the diagnosis of the bhattacarya. So this kind of 

prayascitta was current during the fallen days of the Vedic society. 

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You become Krsna conscious and commit all sinful 

activities, Krsna will give me protection.\” And that will create 

certainly atheism: \”What is this bogus thing?\” But that does not 

mean… So, you surrender to Krsna. Krsna takes charge of your past 

sinful activities. But that does not mean that I shall remain Krsna 

conscious, at the same time I shall go on committing sin. This, for 

this facility, if anyone takes to Krsna consciousness, that is most 

sinful, that \”I shall take to Krsna consciousness because whatever 

sinful activities I shall do, it will be counteracted by Krsna.\” So 

that will create certainly atheism, that \”What is this bogus talk?\” Do 

you follow? Yes. But that is not meant for. 

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Prabhupada: Climate also. The climate is very favorable. Now it is, of 

course, winter season. Otherwise, it will continue for two months 

only. It is not very severe, and still, this condition will not 

continue. Throughout the whole year you can remain naked body. There 

is no expenditure for dressing much. And to remain clean, you simply 

wash in the water, and immediately it is… So with one cloth or two 

cloths you can go on for six months. There is no much expenditure. And 

this vegetarian diet, if you take a few grains of this chick pea and 

little milk, you don’t require anything to eat. Everything, facility, 

is there still. But they have… The people are being trained up to 

imitate Western civilization. That is the government policy, that, 

\”Unless you become Westernized, technologist, you’ll not be happy.\” 

But they can become happy even in this condition. This artificial 

partition has caused some trouble by the Britishers because the 

Pakistan has taken away all the wheat and rice. Their purpose was 

that. The Punjab side, they are producing wheat in very large 

quantity. In Bengal, that is the, perhaps the biggest rice producing 

country in the world, Bengal. So rice is in Pakistan and wheat is in 

Pakistan. Even cows, they were maintained by the Punjabis, big, big 

cows, milk-producing. They are now in the Punjab. So there is no milk, 

there is no rice, there is no wheat. And they have no sugar. The sugar 

is produced this side. In this way, always. And the Kashmir 

question… That is British policy. Due to this partition only, 

India’s position is now very crippled. And these rascal leaders, they 

accepted partition for becoming prime minister. This policy. Gandhi 

never agreed. So the Jawaharlal Nehru, in order to become prime 

minister, he committed such a blunder. Therefore India is given… 

Still, if they keep to their original culture, they will not be 

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the temple. Tan-mandira-marjanadau. Don’t think that if one is engaged 

in the Deity worship and if one is engaged in the gardening work there 

is distinction. No. The one who is working as a gardener, he is as 

good as the one who is dressing the Deity, because it is Absolute 

plane. There is no difference between… Just like in the material 

world, if one is working as manager and the other is working as menial 

servant, there is difference of pay or difference of service. No. In 

the spiritual world there is no such thing. In the spiritual world 

even a small ant who is serving Krsna by chance… Suppose if there is 

an ant and the flower is thrown into the lotus feet of Krsna and the 

ant kisses the lotus feet of Krsna, he is as good as the pujari. This 

is spiritual world. So we should give everyone chance how to serve 

Krsna. Then he will remain on the upper platform. Samatitya. Atitya 

mean transcending. Etan gunan. Etan gunan means because the material 

world is complicated with the modes of material nature, so this is 

called guna. So anyone who is engaged constantly in devotional 

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things will be cleansed. For example, you can see practically all my 

disciples present there. They are coming from Western countries, 

Europe, America, or even in India, Parsis and other, Mohammedans, they 

are coming. But they are now pure, cleansed of all dirty things. In 

this movement throughout the whole world there are at least ten to 

twelve thousand devotees like that. And before this life they were 

addicted to all kinds of sinful life. We have summarized all sinful 

activities into four groups, namely, illicit sex, meat-eating, 

intoxication, and gambling. So all these ten to twelve thousand men 

who are now attached with this Krsna consciousness movement, they are 

not commiting these four pillars of sinful life. 

   Therefore our request is that you take to this chanting method. It 

is very easy, Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare, Hare Rama 

Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, and gradually you shall become free 

from all sinful reaction of life. But one thing we must be very 

careful, that we should not commit again sinful life. If you chant 

Hare Krsna mantra, you become free immediately from all sinful 

reaction. But if you commit again sinful life, that is your 

responsibility. This is warned very… Amongst the ten kinds of 

offenses, one offense is very (sic:) grievious offense–namnad balad 

yasya hi papa-buddhih–if one thinks that \”I am chanting Hare Krsna; 

therefore whatever sinful acts I am doing, it is becoming 

counteracted.\” If you keep yourself on the platform of chanting Hare 

Krsna mantra and do not commit willfully again sinful life, then you 

are liberated. [this means chanting without offenses]So not only mukti-marga, if you keep yourself always pure, do not commit any sinful activity and chant Hare Krsna mantra, 

then your life is successful. Don’t commit the mistake of the elephant 

that take bath thoroughly and again come and throw dust on your body. 

I think I shall end tonight this here. Thank you very much. (end) 

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 Because Mayavadi philosophers, they are very much,I 

mean to say, careful, that \”My salvation may…, may…, may not be 

interrupted. If I go to preach, and in association with others, if I 

fall down, then my business will be finished.\” So they do not come. 

Only Vaisnava comes at the risk of their falldown. They do not fall 

down, but they go even to the hell to deliver. So Prahlada, this is 

Prahlada Maharaja’s admission. He says that na udvije: \”I’m not very 

much anxious or perturbed because I am living in this material world.\” 

Naivodvije para duratyaya-vaitaranyah. Vaitaranyah means this hellish 

condition of life, how to cross the river of hellish condition of 

life. So \”I have no anxiety for that.\” 

…that does not solve the problem. You have manufactured cars. I have 

practical experience. When Dayananda wanted to take me to a doctor 

from Los Angeles, it is thirty miles off. Thirty miles off. So I had 

to take trouble to go thirty miles and come thirty miles before I 

could consult the doctor. You see? And if you have created cars, then 

you must have meet your friends and necessities thirty miles off, 

forty miles off. You can go from New York to Boston in one hour, but 

go to the airport you will take three hours. (laughter) Therefore it 

is called maya-sukhaya. (laughter) Maya means false, illusory. We are 

trying to create some very comfortable situation, but creating another 

uncomfortable situation. This is called maya-su… This is the way 

of… If you do not be satisfied by the natural comforts offered by 

God, or nature, if you want to create artificial comfort, then you 

have to create another discomfort for counteracting. They do not know 

that. They are thinking that \”We are creating very comfortable 

situation.\” Fifty miles going to the office. For earning livelihood, 

fifty miles, from one place to another. I saw in Hawaii. When 

Gaurasundara was working to maintain our temple, he was working. 

Unfortunately, he had to go fifty miles off from the temple to work 

for it. So I was very sorry to see how this boy is going fifty miles. 

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many others… So He is always in association of His assistants, who 

are assisting Him in propagating the sankirtana movement. Gaurangera 

sangi-gane, nitya-siddha bhoi mane. Anyone who is preaching the 

sankirtana movement is associate of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. 

Sangopangastra… Just like Advaita Prabhu, Nityananda Prabhu helped, 

similarly, anyone, even up to date, who is trying to help the 

propagation of Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s mission, preach this sankirtana 

movement all over the world, he is also associate of Caitanya 

Mahaprabhu. Gaurangera sangi-gane nitya siddha boli mane. They are not 

ordinary human being. Nitya siddha, ever liberated. 

…you will be saved. Otherwise there is no saving. Tatha 

dehantara-praptih. You will have to accept another body. And what is 

that body? That is not stated. That will be decided at the end of your 

life, at the time of your death, at the condition of your mind and 

intelligence at that time. If, at that time, you are thinking of your 

pet dog, \”What will happen to my pet dog? How he will live? Let me 

leave some of my property in his name,\” (laughter) then you can leave 

the dog with some property, but you are going to be dog. This is laws 

of nature. You may love your dog very nicely and leave some property, 

but where you are going, sir? That is under the nature’s law. You 

cannot say that \”I given so much property to the dog. Why shall I 

accept the…?\” No. Because your mind is absorbed in the thought of 

dog, therefore you must take the dog’s body. This is nature’s law. 

Therefore we have to train up our mind. Instead of dog, you must train 

up your mind to think of God. Then you will be saved. Tyaktva deham 

punar janma naiti mam. 

…human being or demigod or cat or dog. These are all ordained. So you 

cannot get out the living entity, soul, by force from that body. Then 

you will be punishable. The living entity is never killed, but you 

have no right to get him out from that body. That is sinful. If you 

argue that \”What is the harm if I kill one animal, because it is said, 

na hanyate hanyamane sarire: ‘The living entity, soul, is never killed 

even after the annihilation of this body’?\” that is all right. But you 

cannot force him. Just like if you get one person, by force, get out 

from his apartment–he is not dying, of course, but still, it is 

criminal because you are forcing to go out of the apartment. So that 

is the law of nature. You cannot force anyone to get out of the body. 

Then you are punishable. 

…sinful.\” So if he commits some sinful activity, he goes to a very 

expert brahmana. They are called bhattacarya. They are especial… 

Just like there are physicians for treatment of the disease, there are 

highly learned brahmanas who are called bhattacaryas. People go there: 

\”Sir, I have committed this sin. What I have to do?\” So they prescribe 

that \”You do like this.\” So similarly, as we go to the physician, we 

have to go to consult an expert learned brahmana, that \”I have 

committed…\” But people used to understand that what is sinful and 

what is pious. Now people are so downtrodden, so dull, mandah, that 

they do not understand what is sinful, what is pious. They are going 

on, doing all nonsense without any care. And there is no question of 

consulting physician or learned brahmana. 

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   So atonement is prescribed in every scripture. Even in Christian 

Bible there is atonement. So in other scriptures also there is 

atonement. Just like a man who has committed murder, he must die. 

\”Life for life.\” This is atonement. When the government punishes a 

murderer with capital punishment, death, that is a mercy upon him. 

That punishment is accepted practically all over the world from time 

immemorial. So there must be atonement. So if a person who has 

committed murder, killed somebody else, then if he is punished by 

death, then the sinful activities which he has committed, that is 

counteracted. Otherwise he will have to suffer next life very 

severely, four times. So people do not believe even in the next life, 

and what to speak of atonement and punishment. They are kept in 

darkness. Otherwise they would have been… If they would have 

followed actually the injunction of the sastras… First of all one 

should not be killing anyone. In the Bible also it is said, \”Thou 

shall not kill.\” Why it is forbidden? Because if he kills, he’ll have 

to suffer. But they do not care for it. Therefore they suffer. 

….something sinful by my mind, then we become affected. Therefore we 

must keep always sinless. Kaya-mana-vakya. This sannyasa tridanda… 

There are three rods within the stick or the cover, three dandas. Not 

three, four. Three is kaya–body, mind, kaya, mana, and words, and one 

he is personally. Therefore there are four sticks within the danda. 

Those who have taken sannyasa, they know it. The idea is that \”I 

surrender to my spiritual master or Krsna.\” Spiritual master is 

identical with Krsna because he gives true knowledge. Therefore he is 

as good as God. Saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktas tatha 

bhavyata. A spiritual master is considered directly as the Supreme 

…bodies according to my choice. This morning we were talking about the 

sufferers, what is called? The sea suffers? 

Devotees: Surfers. 

Prabhupada: Surfer, yes. (devotees laugh) Surfer. I call \”sufferer.\” 

\”Sea-sufferer.\” (laughter) Sea-surfer, it is practical because we are 

creating a situation by which we shall become a fish. Yes. 

Contamination. Just like if you purposely contaminate some disease you 

must suffer from that disease. Karanam guna-sango ‘sya sad-asad 

janma-yonisu, in the Bhagavad-gita. Why there are different varieties 

of life? What is the reason? That reason means karanam. Krsna says in 

…   So there are three modes of material nature–goodness, passion, and 

ignorance. So long we are in this material world, purusah prakrti-stho 

‘pi bhunjante tad-gunan. If we remain in certain place, we must be 

affected by the modes of that place. So there are three modes, 

sattva-guna, rajo-guna. We have to associate either with the modes of 

goodness or with the modes of passion or with the modes of ignorance. 

.. guna-sango ‘sya. So the person who is taking very much pleasure, 

dancing in the sea like fish, so he is contaminating that modes of 

nature so that in next life he will become a fish. He’ll be very free 

to dance with the ocean. (laughter) Now it will take again millions of 

years to come to the stage of human being. Jalaja nava-laksani 

sthavara laksa-vimsati. He has to pass through the fish life. There 

are 900,000 different species of life. Then you again come to the 

land–you become trees, plants, and so on. Two millions different 

forms you have to go through. That is evolution. Darwin’s theory of 

evolution, that is not perfectly explained. It is explained in the 

Vedic literature. So just a tree is standing for ten thousands of 

years, we had to pass through this life. But there is no perfect 

knowledge. We are thinking we are now very nice American body or 

Indian body. No. It took so many years to come to this life. Therefore 

sastra says, labdhva sudurlabham idam bahu-sambhavante: \”You have got 

this human form of life after many, many millions of years’ waiting.\” 

So do not misuse it. That is Vedic civilization, not to misuse the 

…the Pitrloka. If you want to remain here as human being, you can also 

remain here, but you have to work for it to keep your position, 

status. Just like if you become rich man, high standard of life, you 

have to maintain it. Not that it will continue automatically. No, that 

is not possible, sir. This material world is not like that: you get 

one position and it will continue. No. A little discrepancy, 

immediately deteriorate your position. So you have to maintain it. 

…life. But our, this Krsna consciousness movement begins when you are 

ready to surrender. That is beginning. Tad viddhi pranipatena. 

Pranipat means surrender. Prakrsta-rupena nipata. \”Yes, I surrender to 

you.\” That is the beginning. Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam 

prapadyate. To learn the surrender, it will take many, many births. 

Bahunam janmanam ante. But those who are intelligent, they will 

surrender immediately. \”Krsna says, ‘Surrender,’ and why not? Krsna is 

the Supreme Lord. Let me surrender.\” Then his life is successful 

immediately. Within a second his life is successful. But we are not 

prepared to surrender. That is our material disease. So if we do not 

surrender to Krsna and take His instruction and make our life, that is 

our choice. But if you like, you can make your life successful within 

a moment simply by surrendering to Krsna. 

   Thank you very much. 

Devotees: Jaya Prabhupada! (end) 

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Young man: (yelling) Prabhupada! Prabhupada! Look what your 

Godbrothers are doing. Prabhupada! Please help me, Prabhupada! 

Prabhupada: What is that? 

Devotees: There’s a crazy boy out there. Crazy man. Crazy man… 

Young man: Prabhupada! Prabhupada! Prabhupada! Devotees. Hypocrites. 

They’re hypocrites. (devotees chant japa loudly) 

Prabhupada: So office record is kept there…[he ignores him and just goes on] 

Young man: You’re full of nescience! 

Prabhupada: …and, according to the activities of that particular 

person, he’s awarded promotion, increment of pay, or sometimes 

degraded and fired off. Two things are there. Similarly, for all our 

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   Unless we come to the original consciousness, then we are crazy in 

different degrees. Everyone who is not in Krsna consciousness, he is 

to be supposed crazy because he is talking on a platform which is 

temporary, transient. It will be finished. But we, as living entities, 

we are eternal. So temporary business is not our business. Our 

business should be eternal because we are eternal. And that eternal 

business is how to serve Krsna. Just like this finger is the part and 

parcel of my body, but the finger’s eternal business is how to serve 

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thinking, \”I am this, I am that.\” But actual thinking should be \”I am 

Krsna’s.\” That is Krsna consciousness. \”I am Krsna’s.\” And in Krsna 

consciousness relationship, because Krsna is for everyone, therefore I 

become everyone’s. Just try to understand. In India, the system is 

when a girl is married to a boy, so–in your country also, everywhere, 

the same system–just like the nephew of the boy calls the girl 

\”Aunt.\” Now, how she becomes aunt? Because, in relationship with her 

husband. Before the marriage, she was not aunt, but as soon as he 

(she) is related with her husband, the husband’s nephew become the 

nephew. Just try to understand the example. Similarly, if we 

reestablish our relationship, or our original relationship with Krsna, 

and Krsna is for everyone, therefore I become for everyone. That is 

real universal love. The artificial, so-called universal love cannot 

be established unless you have established your relationship with the 

central point. Just like you are Americans. Why? Because you are born 

in this land. So another American is a member of your country, but if 

you become something else, then you have no relationship with another 

American. So we have to reestablish our relationship with Krsna. Then 

the question of universal brotherhood, justice, peace, prosperity will 

come. Otherwise, there is no possibility. Central point missing. How 

there can be justice and peace? It is not possible. 

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The injunction is that tad viddhi, if you want to understand 

transcendental subject matter, not material, spiritual… Spiritual is 

completely unknown to us because we do not know what is spiritual. We 

are identifying with this body. You do not know even that \”I am spirit 

soul.\” So where is the possibility of spiritual understanding? One 

cannot see himself, what he is. He is thinking, \”I am this body,\” 

exactly like the dog. The dog is thinking, \”I am dog.\” So if I think, 

\”I am American,\” \”I am Indian,\” where is the difference? There is no 

difference. Yasyatma-buddhih kunape tri-dhatuke. If one thinks that \”I 

am this body,\” then he’s no better than sa eva go-kharah. The animals, 

they also think like that, \”I am this body.\” 

…then we are rascal. There is no beyond. This is perfect knowledge. So 

how to take perfect knowledge? Tad viddhi. First of all you try to 

learn. Tad viddhi. How to learn? Where to learn? Pranipatena, fully 

surrendered. If you find somebody that he is somebody important where 

you can surrender fully, from him… Tad viddhi pranipata… This is. 

Our process of Vedic knowledge is how to surrender, not that I hear 

and I reject it. That is not the way. That is another rascaldom. First 

of all find out the person where you can surrender. 

   Surrender means you first of all be convinced that \”Here is a 

person who can give me actual knowledge.\” Therefore before selecting 

guru one has to convince himself that \”The person whom I am going to 

accept as guru, whether he actually can give me the knowledge?\” That 

is wanted. Therefore before making guru, the system is, for one year 

the prospective disciple should hear from the person and then decide. 

And similarly, the guru also see a person who is actually submissive 

or not. That is Vaisnava injunction, Hari-bhakti-vilasa, not that to 

make a guru as a fashion. No. Not do. Don’t keep a guru, 

order-supplying guru. No. Just like if somebody keeps a dog and the 

master orders him, \”Do this,\” and he does, fashion. No. It is not 

fashion. You must approach guru who…, where you can surrender. 

Otherwise don’t make guru. And the guru also should not accept such 

rascal as guru. First of all the thing is surrender. Tad viddhi 

pranipatena. The first necessity is that you surrender. So here you 

have seen, Pariksit Maharaja, although the emperor of the world, he is 

taking lesson from Sukadeva Gosvami. Sukadeva Gosvami is seated on the 

throne and he is seated on the ground, submissive. So does it mean 

that \”I shall become submissive, and whatever my guru will say, I will 

have to accept?\” No. Pariprasnena. Tad viddhi. Here is the pariprasna. 

Sri-raja uvaca. Ask him. That is intelligent. Intelligently serve. 

First of all we must… It is not that he is checking the guru, \”How 

my guru is learned?\” No. The submission is there. But when the guru 

says something, he may not understand. That concession is given, 

pariprasna. You inquire. 

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   When Rsabhadeva, the father of Maharaja Bharata, after whose name 

this planet is called Bharatavarsa The name Bharatavarsa is not only 

the name for India, but it is the name for this planet. Formerly, five 

thousand years ago, the whole planet was known as Bharatavarsa. The 

Vedic culture was all over the world. These Europeans and Americans, 

they are coming of the same stock, Indo-Aryan stock. There is a great 

history behind this, how some of the ksatriyas, they left India during 

the time of Parasurama. He declared war against the ksatriyas and he 

was incarnation of God. He was killing the ksatriyas like anything and 

some of the ksatriyas fled from India and came to this part of the 

world. So from historical point of view you Europeans and Americans, 

you belong to the ksatriya stock of old India, and somehow or other 

you have forgotten this Vedic culture. Originally you belonged to this 

Vedic culture. The Vedic culture was all over the world, even in 

America–different types of worship or concept of God. The Red Indians 

also had some religion. 

…   But real, real fact is if you want to advance in spiritual 

understanding, if you want to make a solution of all the problems of 

your life, then you have to accept this life of austerity, tapasya. 

Restriction. Restriction is meant for human beings, not for the 

animals. Just like in our common dealings, when you drive your car, 

you have got some restriction. You cannot drive your car on the left 

side. That is offense. \”Keep to the right.\” You cannot drive your car 

…regulation. That is human life. But now the propaganda is that 

everyone, one wants to be free, no regulative life. This is animal 

life. Just try to understand. The regulations, lawbooks, restrictions, 

they are meant for human being, not for animals. And if you want 

freedom from all restrictions, then you come to the animal life. 

Therefore Sukadeva Gosvami recommends first tapasya. If you want to 

stop the problems of life, then you have to accept the life of 

austerity, tapasya. 

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This is the translation of the… Nasnatah pathyam. Pathyam. Pathyam 

means good foodstuff, not \”Anything I can eat.\” That is the business 

of the hogs and dogs. Just like hogs have no discrimination. Anything, 

up to stool you give him: it will eat. That is not human civilization. 

Although it is the law of nature that ahastani sahastanam. Vegetables 

or animals who has no hand… Just like ordinary animals, they have 

got four legs, no hand. So these four-legged animals is the food for 

the two-legged animals. Ahastani sahastanam. Uncivilized men means 

two-legged animals. They are animals, but two-legged. There are 

four-legged animals; there are two-legged. Ahastani sahastanam apadani 

catus-padam: \”And living entities who have no legs, just like the 

vegetables, grass, plants, trees…\” They have no legs. They cannot 

move, but they are living entities. They are food for catus-padam, for 

the animals who have got four legs. Ahastani sahastanam apadani 

catus-padam, phalguni mahatam tatra: \”And the weak is food for the 

strong.\” Phalguni… Jivo jivasya jivanam. This is the law of nature, 

that one life is meant for maintaining another life. That is going on. 

So sometimes they put forward this argument that \”You are also eating 

vegetables. They have got life. Why you object that nonvegetarians who 

are eating four legged animals…?\” No. We are not going to infringe 

to the laws of nature. That is not our business. You can eat 

four-legged animals because you are also animal. But when we speak of 

civilized animals… Civilized is not animal. That is human being. So 

long one is not civilized, he is animal. And the civilization begins 

when one understands that he is not this body. That is the beginning 

of civilization. Yasyatma-buddhih kunape tri-dhatuke. So long one is 

in ignorance, the bodily concept of life, he is animal. When one knows 

that \”I am not this body; I am… Aham brahmasmi,\” then civilization 

begins. 

   So here it is recommended that unless we follow the rules and 

regulations, then there is no possibility of curing our material 

disease. The whole process is we are in materially diseased. Otherwise 

we are as good as Krsna, but because we are materially diseased, we 

are in the difficult position of birth, death, old age and disease. 

Krsna says. This is real problem. 

Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-duhkha-dosanudarsanam. So if we want to be 

cured from this disease, then we have to follow rules and regulation, 

just like a patient, if he wants to be cured from the disease, he has 

to follow the rules and regulation prescribed by the physician. 

Therefore law, religion, Vedic scripture, they are all meant for human 

being, not for the cats and dogs. Even ordinary law, they are meant 

for human being. Just like on the street it is \”Keep to the right.\” So 

this is for the human being. If the cats and dogs goes from right to 

the left or wrong, they are not prosecuted. The law is meant for the 

human being. If the human being does not follow rules and regulative 

principle, law, then he’s animal. So civilized means to raise oneself 

from the animal status of life to the human status life. That means 

rules and regulations.  

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Prabhupada: So we have been discussing this verse for the last two 

days. Tyagena. Partially I have already explained: tyaga, renounce. 

There is some natural tendency also for renouncing. When one gets to 

the topmost of material opulence, immediately there is a tendency for 

renunciation. This hippie movement is like that. They have got a good 

qualification that they have renounced this materialistic way of life. 

Tyagena. The, there are two kinds of tendencies: one is bhoga and one 

is tyaga. Bhoga means enjoyment, sense enjoyment, and tyaga means to 

give up this material world. But without guidance, one does not know 

how to renounce this material world. That is called tyaga. Bhoga and 

tyaga, two kinds of tendencies are going on in this material world. 

First of all they want to enjoy, and when they are frustrated in 

enjoyment, then there is renouncement. Again when they are tired of 

renouncement, again enjoyment. Just like the clock pendulum, this side 

and that side–tock, tock, tock, tock. Similarly, we are oscillating: 

sometimes in the platform of enjoyment and sometimes on the platform 

of renouncement. Two things are there in this material world. The 

karmis, they are trying to enjoy this world, whole day and night that 

expressway, always trucks and cars are going on–sonh, sonh, sonh, 

sonh. Bhoga, how to enjoy, first class. Another, the hippies. They 

don’t want to do anything. Both sides are there in your country, bhoga 

and tyaga. 

   But in neither of the paths you’ll be happy, because that is not 

your proper position. You cannot enjoy or you cannot renounce. 

Actually the whole thing belongs to Krsna. Nothing belongs to anyone. 

Whatever you have got in possession, that is Krsna’s property. 

Isavasyam idam sarvam. Everything. You do…, you try to understand. 

The trees, the plants, the water, the land–have you produced it? Then 

…   Then what to do? That is direction given by Krsna: sarva-dharman 

parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja. You have created different types of 

religion on the basis of this bhoga and tyaga. So you give up all 

them. Then? Mam ekam saranam vraja: \”You surrender unto Me.\” Because 

you cannot enjoy nor make any renunciation. But here it is said 

tapasa, tyagena, by renouncing. Renouncing means that you’re falsely 

possessing. So you give it to Krsna, the original proprietor. Just 

like one hundred dollars note, a child has taken from the father. The 

child does not know how to use that hundred dollars note, but he, 

he’ll not give it to the father. \”No, I shall not give it.\” Father is 

begging: \”Oh, my dear child, you are so nice. Kindly give it to me.\” 

Actually the note belongs to the father. But because he’s child, he’s 

innocent, ignorant, he does not know. Therefore Krsna says, dadasi yat 

kurusva mad-arpanam. Dana, this tyaga, \”You renounces this world for 

Me. You renounce your wealth, your property for Me.\” The same thing. 

Everything belongs to Krsna. He’s not a beggar. But He’s patting the 

child, \”Oh, you are very good boy. Kindly give it to Me.\” That is the 

way. Krsna is so kind. Because… The same example: the child does not 

know how to utilize that hundred dollars note. He’ll simply spoil it. 

The best thing is to give it over, hand it over to the father. He 

knows how to use it. It is his property. 

   Similarly this tyagena means to practice, to give everything to 

Krsna. Everything. Tyagena. Samena damena tyagena. This is the 

different steps of elevating yourself to Krsna consciousness. Tapasa 

brahmacaryena samena ca damena ca, tyagena satya-saucabhyam. Satya 

means truthfulness. One should know what is truth, ultimate truth, 

Absolute Truth. We are concerned with relative truths, but we have to 

know the Absolute Truth. Just like in the Bhagavata Vyasadeva is 

offering his respect, obeisances: satyam param dhimahi. \”I offer my 

respect to the Supreme Truth, not to the relative truth.\” We are 

concerned with relative truth, categorical truth, not the summum 

bonum. Saucabhyam: cleanliness. This is also required. Cleanliness. 

…   So you are all initiated to become brahmana. You have become 

brahmana. Don’t become false brahmana. Real brahmana. It is not by 

birth; it is by education, by practice, by knowledge. So we are 

offering the sacred thread to the Americans and Europeans in the 

Western countries, and some of our Indian contemporaries, they are not 

very happy with my action. They are under contemplation that a 

brahmana can be, I mean to say, seen by birthright. No. No. Brahmana 

is by qualification. Brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra. That is the 

verdict of Krsna. We are concerned with Krsna, not any other else. 

Krsna says, catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah: \”By 

division of quality and, guna, and work, one must have the symptoms, 

the quality of a brahmana, and work as a brahmana.\” Not that… 

Quality will be tested by work. Suppose if you are engineer. You have 

got the quality of… But if you sit down at home, what is your value? 

You must be engaged in some engineer work. Suppose you are lawyer, and 

if you don’t go to the court and sleep at your home, then what is the 

worth of your studying law? Therefore guna-karma. One should not be 

simply qualified as engineer or lawyer, but he must work also, as 

engineer, as lawyer. Then he’s bona fide. Similarly, unless you work 

as a brahmana, simply saying that \”I am a brahmana,\” what is the 

value? Useless. They…, therefore Krsna says, guna-karma-vibhagasah. 

There must be quality and work also. So here we are qualifying the 

students to be raised in the brahminical platform, and they’re working 

also as brahmana. How they are working as brahmana? Because they’re 

fully engaged in Param Brahma’s service, Krsna’s service. Therefore 

they are brahmanas. Brahma janati iti brahmanah. Without knowing, 

nobody can render service. They are not rendering service in the ear. 

They are serving Krsna factually. Here is sitting Krsna with 

…can…? That is not possible. Therefore the process is being explained 

by Sukadeva Gosvami: tapasa. First thing is tapasya, austerity. Even 

it is painful… Austerity’s painful. Brahmacarya is painful. Because 

we want, unrestricted, to do everything. But no. As soon as it is 

regulated it appears to be painful. When it is practiced, it is not 

painful. One brahmacari in Indian city, in severe cold, he was 

sleeping in the open air, without any covering. And it was severe 

cold. But it was practice. During Magha-mela, many saintly persons 

come there on the bank of the Ganga, Ganges. This year we had our own 

camp; we have seen. The whole night they are sitting in the open air, 

without any covering. 

   So practice. So practice means if you undergo austerity, tapasya, 

everything will be practiced. That is a Bengali proverb: sarire na 

mahasaya(?). Mahasaya is a word used in India, a very respectable 

gentleman, mahasaya. So this sarira, this body is mahasaya. Ya sa haye 

sa taicha(?). Whatever he’ll practice, it will be accustomed. So 

practice. So here this Krsna consciousness movement is bringing them 

to the practice. Therefore you find, so nice, boys and girls, they’re 

practiced. As soon as they’re neglectful to the practice—falls down. 

They cannot stay. Immediately goes out. So that is called austerity, 

tapasya. Practice. Practical life. So these are the processes. 

…continuously committing sinful activities, from time immemorial… You 

do not know when it began. Evolution, many births. Therefore this life 

is meant for rectifying all mistakes that we had committed in our 

previous life or in this life. How? By this process. Ksipanty agham. 

Agham means the resultant action of sinful life. Mahad api. Although 

it is very great, mahad api, how? Venu-gulmam, venu-gulmam ivanalah. 

Just like if you set fire to unwanted grass and creepers in the field. 

You set fire, and they will be all burned. Similarly, by this process, 

tapasa brahmacaryena, you can liquidate all of your sinful activities 

of life and you become purified. 

   So the next process, another alternative process is being suggested 

by Sukadeva Gosvami. 

                        kecit kevalaya bhaktya 

…dangerous, fog. Those who are… But as soon as there is sunrise, some 

way or other, everything finished. Similarly, some way or other, if 

you take to Krsna consciousness, all the sinful reaction of your life 

immediately finished like the fog. So, but… This process is accepted 

kecit, somebody, very fortunate. Caitanya Mahaprabhu therefore said: 

            ei rupe brahmanda bhramite kona bhagyavan jiva 

               guru-krsna-krpaya paya bhakti-lata-bija 

The Krsna consciousness is not for ordinary persons. It is meant for 

very, very fortunate persons. But simply by accepting one thing, Krsna 

consciousness, he finishes all business of brahmacarya, tyaga, yama, 

niyama, sama, dama, everything. 

   So Sukadeva Gosvami is prescribing, kecit kevalaya bhaktya. 

Kevalaya bhaktya. Kevala-bhakti. There is no mixture. Kevala means 

only pure devotional service. What is that pure devotional service? 

                         anyabhilasita-sunyam 

                        jnana-karmady-anavrtam 

                         anukulyena krsnanu- 

                        silanam bhaktir uttama 

No other desire than to please Krsna. Not that \”I have become a 

devotee. Now my income will increase,\” or \”I shall be…\” That, that 

will come automatically. You want money to increase your income to 

become happy. But if you take to Krsna consciousness, automatically 

you’ll be so happy that you’ll neglect to collect money. That will 

automatically come. There is no need of separate endeavor. Happiness 

will come. Yam labdhva. Just like Dhruva, Dhruva Maharaja. He was so 

lamenting. Those who are recording, I mean, transcribing my tapes, how 

he was lamenting, that \”How foolish I was that I took to devotional 

service with a desire for some material profit.\” He was so much 

repentant. So that is, that is another profit of the devotee. For 

material profit, somebody goes to somebody, some boss, some rich man, 

some demigod, some powerful man. But a devotee does not go anywhere. 

He goes to Krsna only. Even if he has got material desires. That is 

the advantage. This advantage: that if you go to Krsna for some 

material advantage even, then day will come, you’ll forget that 

material advantage. 

…anything else from me\”–he’s a rich man–ask him for millions of 

dollars or something like that. But instead of…, if you ask for your 

foolishness, that \”Please give me some broken grains of rice…\” So 

similarly, to go to Krsna and to ask some material benefit is exactly 

like this, to go to some rich man and ask from his \”Please give me 

some broken grains of rice.\” Why one should ask for material happiness 

from Krsna? Material happiness will roll on his feet: \”Please take me, 

please take me.\” These Krsna conscious boys and girls, in sixty 

centers, just see how they are materially opulent. They’re living in 

the best house. They’re eating best food. They’re in best 

consciousness. They have got the best hope. Everything best. Their 

feature of body is best. What you want material happiness more than 

this? They have got wife, children, happiness, home–everything–full. 

So material happiness is nothing to a Krsna conscious person. He gets 

automatically by the grace of Krsna. There is no need of asking for 

1. Simply be steady to ask Krsna, “Please engage me in Your service.”

Anukulyena krsnanusilanam. How Krsna will be satisfied? Then your 

satisfaction will automatically come. Don’t bother for material 

happiness. 

   Thank you very much. 

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does not become old. Nava-yauvanam ca. Advaitam acyutam anadim 

ananta-rupam adyam purana-purusam nava-yauvanam ca. He is the oldest 

person because He has created everything, but He will never look old. 

You will never see Krsna’s picture as old man. These are the 

definition of God. God, nobody can be richer than Him, nobody can be 

stronger than Him, nobody can be more beautiful than Him, and nobody 

wiser than Him even. That proof we can see: Bhagavad-gita was spoken 

five thousand years ago, and still Bhagavad-gita is worshiped as the 

best book of knowledge. This is the proof. So God does not depend on 

anyone’s proof. But if you want to prove whether He is God, you can 

get. That you can get. 

   Therefore we should accept Krsna as the Supreme God. It is stated 

in all sastras, …. 

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   Therefore we should accept Krsna as the Supreme God. It is stated 

in all sastras, and Arjuna also, who listened Bhagavad-gita from 

Krsna, he also accepted. After hearing Bhagavad-gita, he said, param 

brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan, purusam sasvatam adyam. So 

our process is to follow the predecessor. The Arjuna, he accepted. Not 

only Arjuna. \”Arjuna may be His friend. He might have accepted his 

friend as God.\” No. Krsna is accepted by the greatest learned scholar, 

Vyasadeva, and greatest saintly person, Narada. That is Vyasadeva 

writes in his Srimad-Bhagavatam that \”I have given description of 

different incarnation of God.\” He has given so many incarnation. At 

last, he concludes that \”Although Krsna came as incarnation, but He is 

not incarnation. He is the incarnate. From Him, all incarnations 

come.\” Ete camsa-kalah pumsah krsnas tu bhagavan svayam. As soon as 

you say \”incarnation,\” the next question will be, \”Whose incarnation?\” 

That Vyasadeva explains, that Krsna’s incarnation Krsna is not 

incarnation. Krsna is personally the Supreme Personality of Godhead. 

That is the statement of Vyasadeva, the most learned. He is accepted 

the most, actually. Who can be more learned than Vyasadeva in this 

material world? Nobody. You can see his writing, Bhagavatam, how 

exalted, scholarly. Nobody can write such verses at the present 

moment. It is not possible. Each and every word is full of meaning and 

so nicely set up. Therefore it is said, vidvan cakre satvata-samhitam: 

\”The vidvan, the most learned Vyasadeva, has given us the 

satvata-samhita.\” 

   So if we want to know, everything is there; but to understand, that 

will require a separate brain. That is recommended here. You create 

your brain. Tapasa, first of all austerity. You cannot create your 

brain by doing nonsense things. That is not possible. You have to 

control: samena damena, tapasa brahmacaryena. These are the process to 

create a brain to understand God. Otherwise it is useless.  

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   Therefore, this human form of body is especially meant for creating 

a favorable situation so that when we pass through this body or we 

leave this body and we accept another body, we’ll get exact a body 

like Krsna. That is Krsna consciousness movement. We are trying to 

change the consciousness of the people so that this preparation will 

help him to get exactly a body like Krsna in next life, and he may 

dance with Krsna in rasa dance. That is our propaganda. Body you’ll 

get. That’s a fact. Just as you are getting one body after another in 

this life, similarly, tatha dehantara-praptir, similarly another 

change of body. Dhiras tatra na muhyati. Those who are in the 

knowledge, they’re not surprised. They know what kind of body. \”My 

father left this body; now he has accepted another body.\” He can 

understand what kind of body he has. How? Just like when you see a 

friend going away to other place by plane, you know, \”This plane is 

meant for…\” Just like I came from New York yesterday to London. So 

everyone knows that I have gone to London. How? They are not seeing 

me, but from the evidences of the ticket, of the aeroplane and 

everything, they know certainly, \”Swamiji has gone to London.\” 

Similarly, if you know the things right, you can know also \”Where this 

man is going after death.\” How you gan know? That is also stated in 

the Bhagavad-gita. Urdhvam gacchanti sattva-stha: \”Those who are 

situated in the modes of goodness…. That is Vedic civilization. 

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But as you make progress in service, you’ll find it pleasing, not 

disgusting. That is the taste that you have developed. When you do not 

feel disgusted in the service, in executing the service of the Lord, 

that means you have made progress. That material service becomes 

disgusting. 

   Just like for example, here is Krsna’s name, \”Hare Krsna.\” 

Throughout one’s life, twenty-four hours, he’s chanting Hare Krsna. 

But it is not disgusting. But take any material name and chant it 

three times, you become disgusted. This is a fact. But these boys, 

these girls, throughout, throughout their life will go on chanting 

Hare Krsna, will never be disgusted, but they will chant more and 

more. So this is priti. The more you chant, the more you become 

attached: \”Let me chant more.\” Not disgusted, but \”Let me chant more.\” 

This is called priti. Similarly, any service of the Lord. This is 

service by sravanam and kirtanam.  

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Prabhupada: Do something for Krsna? 

Devotee (1): For Krsna. But he begins to realize it’s still tinged 

with a lot of personal gratification… 

Prabhupada: Therefore he should consult spiritual master. The guide is 

there. Then it is all right. He should take sanction from Krsna or 

Krsna’s representative. If he wants to do something, that’s good, but 

whether that doing is right or wrong you have to know it from Krsna or 

His representative. Is it clear or not? Yes. 

Devotee (1): How can one reach the point where he knows that a 

particular type of service… 

Sruta-kirti: How can one reach the point where he knows a particular 

type of service… 

Devotee (1): …will please the spiritual master? 

Madhudvisa: He wants to know how to find out how to please the 

spiritual master with one service. 

Prabhupada: The spiritual master has given you so many things to do. 

Do it. First of all finish that. First of all finish sixteen rounds, 

observe the regulative principles. First of all… First of all finish 

this duty. And neglecting this duty, what you can do further? If you 

cannot finish sixteen rounds chanting, you cannot observe the 

regulative principles, then what else you can do? First of all finish 

this duty. Be expert in finishing, executing these duties. Then ask 

for another duty. And if you finish these duties, automatically Krsna 

will give you intelligence. Tesam satata-yuktanam bhajatam 

priti-purvakam. One who is actually engaged in the service of the 

Lord, buddhi-yogam dadami tam, \”I give him intelligence.\” Krsna will 

give you intelligence. You will be able to talk with Krsna from within 

if you become sincere. If you cannot execute the preliminary duties, 

then how you can execute further duty? There is no question. 

Madhudvisa: This is a problem, I think, with many devotees. They have 

a difficulty distinguishing between their own speculation and the 

inspiration… 

Prabhupada: Then they should stop speculation. That is their first 

duty. Devotional life means stop speculation. 

Madhudvisa: Well, what is inspiration then? 

Prabhupada: Inspiration? That inspiration is there. That is very good, 

that \”I shall do something for Krsna.\” So whatever duty is assorted to 

you or allotted to you, you first execute that duty. 

Devotee (2): How important is formal initiation? 

Prabhupada: Formal initiation means to accept, officially, to abide by 

the orders of Krsna and His representative. That is formal initiation. 

Officially accept, \”Yes, sir, I shall accept. I shall do whatever you 

say.\” This is initiation, official acceptance of the job. That’s all. 

Now, you formally accept, and if you do not do the duties, then where 

is the question of other function? There is no question. Initiation 

means this is the beginning of accepting the orders of Krsna and His 

representative to carry out. This is the beginning. That is 

initiation. Just like if you enter in an office establishment, so you 

accept the terms of service. That is initiation. Then you go on 

serving, you become promoted, you get salary increase. You become 

recognized. You become officer. You become big officer, like that. 

That very word initiation suggests, \”This is the beginning.\” Diksa, 

diksa. Di… Divya. There are two words, divya-jnana. Divya-jnana 

means transcendental, spiritual knowledge. So divya is di, and jnanam, 

ksapayati, explaining, that is ksa, di-ksa. This is called diksa, 

diksa, the combination. So diksa means the initiation to begin 

transcendental activities. That is called initiation. Therefore we 

take promise from the disciple that \”You chant so many times,\” \”Yes, 

sir.\” \”You observe these rules and regulations,\” \”Yes, sir.\” That is 

initiation. He has to observe; he has to chant. Then everything comes 

automatically. In the beginning he is faulty; then how he can make 

progress? There is no question of in…, what is called? What you were 

asking? 

Madhudvisa: Inspiration. 

Prabhupada: Inspiration. What is that inspiration? If you have got 

inspiration, first of all execute this. Inspiration there is. Because 

we are, by nature, we are servant of Krsna, we want to serve. But that 

should be regulated. That should be regulated. That is initiation. 

Yes? 

Madhudvisa: Srila Prabhupada, you were speaking about Sravanam 

kirtanam visnoh smaranam, that any one of these principles, if 

executed, is sufficient. Now, some devotees may take this to mean that 

they simply can chant Hare Krsna and don’t have to do anything else 

like temple duties or readings or… 

Prabhupada: That means he is not chanting Hare Krsna. Because if he is 

actually chanting Hare Krsna, he must be enthusiastic to serve Krsna 

more and more. This is an excuse. Utsahan dhairyat 

tat-tat-karma-pravar… He must be very enthusiastic. Therefore we 

have limited. If you are chanting Hare Krsna, if you are so advanced, 

then chant Hare Krsna twenty-four hours. But he will sleep. (makes 

snoring noise) (laughter) So in the name of chanting Hare Krsna, you 

will sleep. And if you are actually chanting Hare Krsna, you will be 

enthusiastic, \”Oh, I shall serve. I shall…\” That is effect. Phalena 

pariciyate. We have to see by the result. He should be enthusiastic 

more and more. Anandambudhi-vardhanam. It will increase. The service 

attitude will increase. Therefore we have given all the nine items 

sometimes here, sometimes there, sometimes here, but all Krsna’s. 

Actually recommended, all the nine, but even one is accepted 

sincerely, that also give perfection. That is another thing. But 

actually, we should accept all the nine items: Sravanam kirtanam visnu 

smaranam pada-sevanam, arcanam… And All right. Yes? 

Devotee (3): How is it possible that Tulasi-devi is a pure devotee, 

what we might call a plant? 

Prabhupada: That you cannot know in your impure state. You just become 

pure. You will understand. (laughter) Just like a physician, he can 

understand another physician, what is his position. The layman, what 

he can understand? If you say, physician, \”Oh, how I can understand 

this physician?\” How you can understand? You are not a physician. You 

become a physician, then you will understand what kind of physician he 

1. is. So when you become devotee, you will understand what kind of

devotee is Tulasi. So long you are not devotee, you cannot understand. 

Don’t expect. Therefore we have to accept the authority. That is 

beginning. Sastra says, \”Tulasi is the greatest devotee of Krsna.\” We 

have to accept, that’s all. Authority. How she is so great devotee, 

that you will understand when you become a devotee. You come to the 

platform; then you will understand, not before. Now chant. (kirtana) 

(Prabhupada leads prema-dhvani) (end) 

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So we have been discussing for the last few days how to become free 

from the reaction of our sinful life. That is real problem. But 

people, they have no knowledge what is life, what is sinful life, what 

is pious life, why we are put into this condition that \”We have to do 

this; we haven’t got to do that.\” This is real philosophy of life. The 

asuras, as we were discussing in this morning walk, they do not know 

1. Asuras… Pravrttim ca nivrttim ca na vidur asurah janah. We are

living… In the ordinary life also, we live a little carefully so 

that we may not fall sick. For that purpose there is very vigilance in 

the immigration department that in Australia we had some nice mangoes 

brought from Bombay, and they did not allow to take it. They thought 

this mango is more dangerous than the dry meat. They will allow 

importation of dry meat, three hundred years old, (laughter) put into 

the regrigerator, and that is imported. That is not infectious. But 

mango, very nice mango, fresh mango–we started in Bombay at night, 

and we came in the morning, it has become poisonous. So we are so much 

precautious that not any germs, infectious disease, may enter. That is 

there. But what is that infection which has caused me to accept this 

material body again and again? That they do not know. That they do not 

know. They do not believe in the next life, and therefore asurah 

janah. This is, the symptom or characteristic of the asurah janah. You 

should be precautious. That is natural. We become precautious, that 

\”We should not do this so that I may not fall sick.\” But we do not 

know what is our real sickness. That we do not know. 

   That is being presented by Krsna in the Bhagavad-gita, that \”This 

is your sickness, real sickness.\” What is that? 

Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-duhkha-dosanudarsanam. You are trying to be 

unaffected by all kinds of sickness, but your real sickness is this 

material disease: you take birth, you die, you become old, and you 

suffer from diseases. This is your real sickness. But who is caring 

for this? Where is the scientist who are investigating how to stop 

death, how to stop birth. They are, of course, investigating how to 

stop birth, but still, birth is going on. This sort of stopping 

births, by killing the body, is not stopping because the body is not 

the person. The real person is within the body, within the body. 

Dehino ‘smin yatha dehe. We have explained. That they do not know. 

They are taking… No. By killing the body or by protecting the body, 

…that is not the solution. The solution is that the living entity has 

infected itself with the material disease. It has to be cured. That is 

the whole purpose of Vedic civilization, how to cure your material 

disease. 

…Sukadeva Gosvami suggested, prayascittam vimarsanam. Vimarsanam means 

to become sober and think that \”Why I cannot check my desire to do 

sinful activities?\” Then he suggested, to come to that understanding 

he requires good brain. Ordinary brain, they cannot understand that 

\”Why I am forced to act sinfully although after doing that I suffer? I 

have committed theft. I am suffer…, I go to jail. Again I come out.\” 

So therefore it is called vimarsanam. 

   So for vimarsanam–means to become sober–you require practicing 

the tapasya. That is also, we have discussed. 

                         tapasa brahmacaryena 

                         samena ca damena ca 

               tyagena satya-sauchym yamena niyamena va 

A series of practice. Then the brain will be clear. So this process 

also–not very safe. The example has been given that ksipanty agham 

mahad api venu-gulmam ivanalah. It is something like burning, setting 

fire into the dry grass. And superficially it appears that all the 

grasses are now burned into ashes; there is no possibility of coming 

out. No. Therefore this very word is there, iva analah. Although 

superficially, outside, it appears that everything is burned, but the 

root remains there. The root remains there, and as soon as there will 

be facility or there will be rainy season, the same grasses and twigs 

and other things will come out again, new growth. That is… Even 

after so much tapasya… There are many instances. Just like 

Visvamitra Muni. Visvamitra Muni was a king. He wanted to become a 

brahmana, and he practiced mystic yoga for many years. Still, he 

became a victim of a woman, Menaka. He was meditating, closing eyes, 

and Indra sent this woman, Menaka. And simply by hearing the sound of 

the bangles, ching, ching, ching, \”Oh, there is woman. Yes, very 

nice,\” (laughter) all mystic yoga finished. Then he begot one 

daughter. That…, her name is Sakuntala, the famous beautiful 

daughter. So that history is there. 

   So the root of our material enjoyment cannot be taken away, cannot 

be uprooted by… The first process is called karma, and the second 

process is called jnana, and the next, it is suggested, bhakti. So he 

is suggesting that kecit. People are more inclined to take to the… 

Those who are absolutely in the rotten condition of life, not for 

then, but those who are little above the rotten condition… Animals. 

Rotten condition of, means like animals, cats and dogs. Above them, 

human life, they take to pious activities or meditation or mystic yoga 

process, just to purify. So these processes are not sufficient. 

Therefore Sukadeva Gosvami is suggesting next, kecit. That kecit word 

is very significant. Kecit means somebody, somebody. Who are the 

somebody? Kecit kevalaya bhaktya, pure devotional service. And how 

they become? Vasudeva-parayanah. They become Krsna conscious. Krsna 

conscious person or vasudeva-parayanah, the same thing. Vasudeva means 

Krsna, that \”Simply I shall worship Krsna,\” kevalaya, \”nothing else.\” 

This firm conviction and steadiness will save you without any doubt, 

this conviction. Vasudeva-parayanah. Then what is that 

vasudeva-parayanah? That is also not very easy thing. Krsna, Vasudeva, 

says, bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate. 

Vasudeva-parayanah and jnanavan mam…, the same thing. When one is 

fully in awareness what is what, then That awareness also 

comes–bahunam janmanam ante, after many many thousands of births, 

bahunam janmanam ante, jnan…, when he is actually jnanavan, that 

\”What I am, what is my duty,\” that is actually jnanavan mam 

prapadyate. So vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhah. After 

many, many births, when he comes to this, understand that \”Vasudeva, 

Krsna, is everything. So let me. Krsna also asking me to surrender. 

Let me do it immediately,\” that is called vasudeva-parayanah. 

   In another place, Bhagavata, it is said that, 

                          vasudeve bhagavati 

                       bhakti-yogah prayojitah 

                        janayaty asu vairagyam 

                       jnanam ca yad ahaitukam 

Those who have become vasudeva-parayanah and engages himself in the 

service, for them, janayaty asu vairagyam, very soon they become 

detestful to all this material way of life. 

   That is the test. How much one has advanced in Krsna consciousness, 

one can test himself that \”How much I have become detestful, all this 

material way of life?\” Everyone can test himself. If he has got still 

some inclination, then he is not fully Krsna conscious. He has to work 

very hard, how to become fully Krsna conscious, chant Hare Krsna. Then 

it is possible. So that is called vasudeva-para. Vasudeva-parayanah is 

not so easy. Therefore it is said, kecit. Kecit means \”maybe 

somebody.\” It is not for all. And Krsna also says in the 

Bhagavad-gita… Who is vasudeva-parayanah? Who knows Vasudeva, who 

knows Krsna. So He says, manusyanam sahasresu: \”Out of millions of 

persons,\” manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye, \”somebody is 

trying to make his life perfect.\” Everyone is being carried away by 

the waves of this material nature: \”Eat, drink, be merry and enjoy.\” 

But that is not siddhi. That is imperfection. If you are carried away 

by the waves of these material necessities, then it is not siddhi. One 

has to become siddha. Siddha means one who understand that \”What I am 

and what is my duty.\” That is siddha, perfect. Not… That is the 

beginning of perfection. So manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati 

siddhate. That siddha, perfection of life, is also not for everyone. 

Somebody out of millions. And Krsna said, yatatam api siddhanam: 

\”Those who are siddhas, those who have attained perfection, if they 

are trying to understand Me, maybe one or two may understand.\” Yatatam 

api siddhanam kascit vetti mam tattvatah. Therefore it is said that to 

become vasudeva-parayanah that is very very rare. Therefore it is said 

kecit, \”somebody out of many millions.\” 

   So one may ask, \”If it is so difficult to become Krsna conscious, 

so how so many people are becoming Krsna conscious? They are not 

genuine? They are all false? If it is said kecit?\” No, they are not 

false. They are amongst these kecit, amongst those rare persons, those 

who have become Krsna conscious. How? It is due to Caitanya 

Mahaprabhu. Caitanya Mahaprabhu has descended to distribute Krsna. 

That is His mercy. So by the mercy of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, so many 

people are becoming vasudeva-parayanah. But otherwise, it is not 

possible. Therefore we first offer our obeisances to Guru-Gauranga, by 

whose mercy we get Krsna. This is the system. Adau gurvasrayam. Now, 

Caitanya Mahaprabhu is so kind. Rupa Gosvami could understand, could 

understand. 

                         namo maha-vadanyaya 

                        krsna-prema-pradaya te 

                        krsnaya krsna-caitanya 

                       namne gaura-tvise namah 

He understood, confidential devotee, Rupa Gosvami, \”O my Lord, You are 

the same Krsna. Now You have appeared as Krsna-Caitanya, and Your 

business is to distribute love of Krsna, not only Krsna, but love of 

Krsna.\” 

   So this is Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s mercy that you are becoming Krsna 

conscious. Otherwise, it is not so easy thing; very, very difficult. 

Kecit kevalaya bhaktya. So stick to this principle. Chant 

sri-krsna-caitanya prabhu nityananda sri-advaita gadadhara 

srivasadi-gaura-bhakta-vrnda. By their favor, by their mercy, we can 

chant Hare Krsna. And as soon as we chant Hare Krsna, we are 

vasudeva-parayanah. There is no more fear. That is required. So you 

stick to this principle, do not forget. We have already given our ways 

and instruction. So don’t deviate from it. Then everything is perfect 

and your life is successful. 

   Thank you very much. (end)