Dog is– “Untouchable”–SP

July 30, 2014 in Articles, Damaghosa Dasa by Nityananda Rama dasa

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Dog is “Untouchable”—SP

Hare Krsna to all


All glories to Srila Prabhupada who is trying to wash off all our kali yuga dirt !!

Below you will find 6 very potent quotes by Srila Prabhupada regarding the keeping of dogs

and cats in ones home or in his/her life.

The dog is UNTOUCHABLE according to Vedic civilization because

it is so nasty of an animal and yet so many of our “devotees” keep them living with them in their homes.

I have also included a letter at the end from Ameyatma and his experiences with devotees and cats or dogs and how unclean these people are-especially when serving out prasadam at a temple.

I received many comments from my last article entitled cats n’ dogs and mleccha man and below are some of them for your perusal and consideration.

For those of us who consider ourselves “devotees”, I humbly submit they should carefully read the statements given by our Srila Prabhupada regarding how to develop at least material purity, what to speak spiritual cleanliness.

Hare Krsna

your humble servant,

Damaghosa das

1) SB 7.14.11 P Ideal Family Life
Although in modern society the dog is accepted as part of one’s
household paraphernalia, in the Vedic system of household life the dog
is untouchable
; as mentioned here, a dog may be maintained with proper
food, but it cannot be allowed to enter one’s house, what to speak of
the bedroom.
Outcastes or untouchable candalas should also be provided
with the necessities for life. The word used in this connection is
yatha, which means “as much as deserved.” The outcastes should not be
given money with which to indulge in more than they need, for otherwise they will misuse it.

2) 741009SB.MAY Lectures
Canakya Pandita says, candala-vesmani. Candala means untouchable, the
dog-eaters. In the Vedic conception, the dog-eaters are untouchable.
Actually they should be untouchable. Meat-eaters are untouchable.

3) 720413SB.MEL Lectures
Surabhir abhipalayantam. Here you have got a hobby to keep dogs, “gow,
gow, gow!” And Krsna has no hobby? He has got hobby, to keep cows
Surabhir abhipalayantam. You have imitated that hobby, and instead of
keeping cows, they are keeping, “how!, how!,” dogs. That is your
capability, a nonsense which is untouchable. Dog is untouchable
according to Vedic literature, and they are being kept
. And cows?
Killed. And cruelty to animals means not to be cruel to the cats, not
cats. Yes, cats and dogs. And for the cows, “Oh, there is no question
of cruelty. He has no soul. Kill him.” This is your civilization, Dog
civilization. You see? You keep dogs, “gow! gow! gow!”
, and if
somebody comes to your home, to your country, you also make “gow! gow!
gow! Why you have come?” Immigration department. “Please go out.
Please go out.” This is civilization.

4) b751015rc.joh Conversations
Prabhupada: Syphilis. In Ayur-Vedic it is called phairanga, means this
disease is imported from Western countries. Every dog has syphilis,
and they contaminate the woman, and that is distributed to man.
According to Vedic civilization, dog is untouchable. Now in India
also, to keep a dog is aristocracy.
Yes. Especially the tail cut. Now
half-cut tail, that is aristocratic dog. Now they are making dog show
in New Delhi.

5) 760421mw.mel Conversations
Devotee (1): Prabhupada, last night you were describing how people
serve their dogs. And now, in the Western countries, they have
restaurants where you can take your dog, and he sits at the table with
you and they serve a meal for him. And they have catering services.
You can call up, and they will bring a special meal to your dog, so he
can eat at his home. They have beauty parlors for dogs, everything.
Prabhupada: Yes, they have taken dogs as God. According to Vedic
civilization, dog is untouchable
. (break)

6) 770111tt.ida
Prabhupada: Yes. We are brainwashing from bad to good. That is our
business. We are washing the brain from all rascaldom. That is our
business. You are… Your brain is filled up with all rubbish things:
meat-eating and illicit sex, gambling. So we are washing them.
Ceto-darpana-marjanam. Srnvatam sva-kathah krsnah
punya-sravana-kirtanah, hrdy antah-stho abhadrani. Abhadrani washing.
Abhadrani means bad things. The bad things should be washed off. Don’t
you cleanse your home? Don’t you cleanse your room? Is not that
brainwashing? So if you wash your room very cleansed, who blames you?
But you are so rascal that “Why you are washing this garbage?” you are
protesting. You are such an intelligent man. We are washing the
garbage; you are protesting, “Why you are washing the garbage?” This
is your intelligence. But intelligent men wash the garbage
. That is
the law of nature, cleanse. That we are doing. According to Vedic
civilization, you are actually untouchable. Now we have come to touch
you; therefore wash you must first. You are untouchable. In Indian
civilization, dog is untouchable, and that is your best friend. So you
are not touchable. Therefore we have to wash you. And unless your
brain is washed, you cannot understand Krsna. So it is necessary
. Is
that all right? Dog is your best friend. In India dog is untouchable.

So “Man is known by his company.” If your best friend is dog, then
what you are? We can understand your position because you sleep with
dog, you eat with dog, your best friend is dog, so what you are? You
must be washed. It is a fact. Every woman, every man, has some dog.
Jagadisa: Dog or cat.
Prabhupada: Mostly dog. So “Man is known by his company.” Your
constant company is dog, so what you are? These are the way. Actually,
according to Vedic… Why they do not allow Europeans in the
Jagannatha temple? Because they are untouchable. According to Vedic
civilization, Europeans are untouchable. Muslims and…, untouchable.
Not only foreigners, even in their own country, those who are not very
cleansed, they are untouchable
. Another’s eatable things, they’re
untouchable. Just like hog. If you give him halava, he will not take
it. He will eat stool. Therefore hog is so abominable….

(Feedback below from those receiving my previous letter—)

1) a letter from Jai in Singapur—…”I heard a Sri Vaishnava scholar, Velukkudi Krishnan present a discourse and he said that Parasara Muni tells in Sri Vishnu Purana that anyone who keeps a dog goes to hellish planets..”

2) a letter from Ameyatma in New Mexico—

Damoghosh Prabhu
Not that I consider this topic more important than others (I haven’t replied to many lately), but, just had a moment so I’ll reply

When I was in Alachua, this is like 15 yrs ago, our devotee neighbors had a dog they called ‘Puri’, the boy, 15 yr old, who took care of the dog proclaimed his dog was a ‘Devotee’ and a strict ‘Vegetarian’ since it was born. It loved puris and was raised on them in NV, which is why he called him Puri. We saw when the boy came home his dog was so happy to see him, and he was so happy to see his ‘dog’ – he would let the dog lick his face and mouth… I felt like vomiting.

I told the boy, this dog is not a human, it is a ‘dog’. My kids were small, still in diapers then. One day our garbage bin was out at the road-side, long driveway, so i just set a garbage bag of dirty diapers on our screened-in porch to get it out of the house until i brought the bin back. It was tied, we got no smell from it. We went to the temple and came back a few hours later. ‘Puri’, the ‘vegetarian’ dog was in our front yard digging a hole with a diaper in it’s mouth. It was trying to bury the diaper to save the tasty treat for later. I got to the porch, the screen door was torn, Puri had ‘let himself in’ – the smell of fresh human stool (although the bag was sealed) was too great for him to resist. There were torn diaper and stool all over the porch. I called the 15 yr old owner of the dog and taught him a lesson in being responsible for his pet, he cleaned the whole porch and repaired the screen door. But, he insisted human stool still didn’t disqualify his ‘dog’ from being a ‘vegetarian’. (sheesh, it sure isn’t a vegetable).

Then, a few weeks later I found a squirrel had died in my backyard. It wasn’t smelling yet. I took a shovel and dug a hole, which i found out was too shallow, less than a foot deep. I took the shovel and put the dead squirrel in it. Some days later Puri was in the backyard, he ‘smelled’ the rotting meat. He dug up the dead squirrel, which now was full of maggots, and went running back to his home with the dead rotting squirrel in his mouth. I told the boy, a dog is a dog – by their nature they want to eat flesh. He is no more a vegetarian or a ‘devotee’ then any other dog in this world. Still, he was insistant that ‘his dog’ was special, he would bark when he hears kirtan… so he claims his dog is chanting…. really…. The real problem, since SP there is no one LEADING the devotees. No guru speaks out, no GBC, they don’t want to offend anyone. No one is teaching even common sense.

Also in Alachua the temple has many ‘temple’ cats that wonder the property. Many hang around the temple area, especially at feast times. So, the young girls would often pick up the cats and pet them. I was training my kids NOT to do so. One day my daughter, when she was about 12 or so, one of her friends picked up a cat and after petting them, went to help serve out Prasad. My daughter told her, ‘Go Wash Your Hands FIRST’. Many of the girls claim, their parents told them, that cats are cleaner then people, they are always Washing and cleaning themselves.

I read report years ago, many people are allergic to cats and for years everyone thought it was their fur. But, on closer examination they found the actual cat hair was not an allergen, instead, it was all the cat stool coating the fur. When a cat passes stool it licks it’s anus, then licks all over it’s fur, spreading small pieces of cat stool all over it’s body. When the stool dries, aside from all the infectious germs it carries, the dried stool gets air-born and that is what people have allergic reactions to. After my daughter told me about the girl not washing her hands after handling the cat, i took notice and saw this was a ‘Regular’ occurrence during Sunday or festival feast times. Many girls pet and cuddle the cats, then go serve prasad (and cat stool) to the devotees without washing their hands first. Or they eat prasad (and cat stool) without washing their hands. This is Sick, why no one is following Srila Prabhupad?

Devotee: Man’s best friend.
Prabhupada: Hmm. Because he has no knowledge who is the best friend. According to the quality, friend is selected.
Karandhara: And one is known by the company he keeps.
Prabhupada: Yes. Karanam guna-sango ‘sya [Bg. 13.22]. The best friend will lead him to take birth in that family. He’ll help him next birth because he’ll always think of dog, so next birth, dog. Yam yam vapi smaran bhavam [Bg. 8.6]. At the time of death, if you are attached to something then you’ll think of it, and next birth is that.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Morning Walk — May 14, 1973, Los Angeles

That is explained in the Bhagavad-gita. Karanam guna-sango ‘sya. As you have infected yourself with a particular type of modes of nature, you will get a body. That’s all. If you have infected to get the body of a dog, you must be infected. People who are keeping dog, that means he is being infected by the germs of dog. Next life he will become a dog. He is infected. What he will think at the time of death? If he has got a beloved dog, he will think of… Somebody… In your country, they bequeath great, I mean to say, wealth, for the dog. That means at the time of death, at the time of death he is thinking of his beloved dog. So he must be a dog. So all his wealth goes to the dog and he goes to become a dog. This science is unknown to the rascals. Yam yam vapi smaran bhavam tyajaty ante kalevaram [Bg. 8.6]. At the time of death, your position of the mind will create the next body. This is the science. So if you create your the position of the mind, Krsna conscious, then you will get a body like Krsna, sac-cid-ananda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1]. This is Krsna consciousness movement, that “Why you shall love dog and cats? Love God, Krsna, and you get the next body like Krsna.” Sac-cid-ananda-vigraha. Anadir adir govindah sarva-karana-karanam [Bs. 5.1]. This is Krsna consciousness movement, how to think of Krsna at the time of death. Then your life is successful.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.16.3 — Los Angeles, December 31, 1973

Lastly, another time, 20+ yrs ago I was in Bhaktivedanta Village, in Three Rivers Calif (when it was still an ISKCON school). One devotee had a dog, a big ‘farm’ dog that was used to shepard the cows. The devotees assured me this dog was soo well behaved, he loved children, and played with the devotee kids. But, it’s a ‘dog’, I would argue. Anyway, one day i was walking to the temple and the dog came up wagging it’s tail and body, wanting me to pet it. I wasn’t afraid of the dog , not at first, I was in clean dhoti and didn’t want him to touch me or my clothes, so i tried to move away as the dog approached. The dog mistook that i was ‘afraid’ of it, and immediately switched from being playful, to this mean growl. It hunched down and growled and snarled at me. Then, I did get a little scared because no one else was around, It was getting ready to attack me. So, I prayed to Nrsingha, and thinking of Nrsingha I made a fierce face and roared like a lion, the dog got scared and ran off. Still, that playful – wouldn’t harm a flea – good to kids – ‘dog’ was ready to attack me just because I backed away from it not wanting it to touch my clean cloth. Then, shortly after this we read in the local paper how a farmer had shot his neigbhors family dog. The farmer had been losing calves, ‘something’ a dog, a wolf, ‘something’ had been going out at night attacking and killing the calves. He told his neighbor he suspected his family dog was the culprit. The neighbor insisted, his dog was the most loving pet in the world. It was so playful around his kids, no way. So, the farmer stayed up all night out in the field and when he heard the cries of a calf being attacked, took his rifle and shot the dog. It was the neighbor’s family dog. The dog that wouldn’t hurt a flea. The reporter interviewed the local vetenarian who said, most people just don’t get it, but, dogs are dogs. and by nature they are flesh eaters, hunters, attackers. They kill their prey to eat. Even the most domesticated dog, he said, can not shake this nature, it is their nature. So, when their is some opportunity they will take it.

In Alachua they also have a dog to herd the cows, and i told them, this is not good, told some devotees that story, and they insisted ‘their dog’ would never do such a thing. The same thing the owner of the dog in Three Rivers insisted, not ‘his’ dog.

I am not against animals. In Alachua there was a cat that hung around our house. At first it wanted to come in the house, and would sit outside the porch winning. We set out left overs, now and then. Once it tried to come in the house. I made the Nrsingha face and roar and it NEVER tried to come in the house EVER again. In fact, it would see me and run like a scared rabbit – for years after that. But, we put out scraps so it would stay around – because cats keep down field mice population, and they scare away snakes – So, i didn’t mind it stayed – around – just as long as it knew to keep its proper distance.

–ameyatma das

(And finally here are some comments from those too sentimentally attached to cats and dogs.)

1) I’m sorry but I desagree about what you said about Animals.we need to love all animals.(cat and Dog).
we can get more disease with humans…illness,and not much illness from animals……..
when I do my japa…(maha mantra);my cat come to me and seat on my kness. now he pass a way 17 with me at my home.
the lord sri Krishan say that Hi is in the Heart of all living beings.
“When you develop a firm faith in God, you will never have any fear whatsoever;(desease-illness-from Cat and dogs)); you will recognize that the God you worship is the One who is present everywhere in everyone and in everything, and also in yourself”.

with respect your humble servant.
Swarupa Damodara-Das.
hare Krishna.

2) I have a dog at my home. Dogs, unlike cats, are omnivores. Cats need meat or they will die but dogs will eat anything and will never starve themselves to death. Yesterday, my dog had offered goat’s milk and eggplant pakoras (made like Hansadutta’s famous cauliflower pakoras). For desert he had vanilla yoghurt. Along with the prasadam I gave him some vegan dog kibble mixed up with crunchy tostada shells and grated vegetarian mozzarella cheese. I am hesitant to offer the vegan kibble mix, however J .he is allowed on only one piece of furniture, a couch (we have 2, one for people who are queasy about dog germs). As a puppy, and even to this day, when I feed him, sometimes I purposefully put my hand in his mouth while he is chewing to train him to always be totally careful with his teeth around people. One devotee said, “Mahasana, how can you do that, that is yucky”. I said that I wanted Sama to never be the least aggressive and if he is submissive with his prize possession (food) then he will be submissive with everything. So far so good.Sama will sit with me when I chant my rounds, all 16, and although he doesn’t have the facility to chant, I swear I have heard him say rrrrrRama… Sama is very clean, for a dog, and rarely licks his pee-pee and never his butt. Of course not all dogs are as clean as Sama. Some eat their own stool, but most dogs shun it. They do smell each other’s butts upon first meeting each other and this I find amusing. People shake hands, which may be less hygienic, but more polite.I consider Sama to be my child, but I wash my hands a lot, recognizing what is moochie, and I don’t sleep with him. As I think about it, human babies are pretty moochie too.

Your Godbrother,Mahasana dasa


So we have heard from Srila Prabhupada, and he gives SO MUCH evidence about why and how a devotee or even any “Hindu” would not have a dog or cat living in his home. It is just simply NOT part of the Vedic culture which aims at self purification thru various methods and having a contaminated animal like a dog or cat in ones home is counterproductive to this transcendental end. We also heard from a couple of devotees who gave their practical experiences with other devotees who dont take cleanliness seriously-and that’s one reason why we take births from within a mleccha “culture”. And we also heard from those who are too much attached to these animals, despite the animals so called good qualities. There is no doubt about it, the dog has some good qualities,and Canakaya pandit mentions it, but so does a tiger an elephant and a mosquito-but that doesn’t mean we live with them in our homes. I am sure there will still be many devotees out there who will not agree with this letter, and will argue against what Srila Prabhupada tells us, even though they will be thinking in their minds that they are devotees, and they love Srila Prabhupada, even though they will refuse to follow this order to us, his disciples. They are devotees, no doubt, but what grade of devotee?

So for them, I offer my humble respects, but will not want to visit them at their home or let their “pets” jump up on me, or for that matter even take the food they cook at home, with dog/cat looking on. This is not an elitist mentality or a hatred for animals, it is simply taking the words of Srila Prabhupada into my heart and trying to apply them in my life. Thats all.

Hare Krsna

Damaghosa das