sanjayate. He is given chance, another chance, to take birth in a very
pure brahmana family or rich family so that he may take again the
chance, not in, he is allowed to enter. He is given a good chance
again. That is his benefit. Even if you are failure, still, your next
birth as a very first-class human being is guaranteed. Not for others.
It is only for the yogis. If he is… Therefore it is said that “What
is the loss even if he is failure?” Tyaktva sva-dharmam caranambujam
harer bhajann apakvo ‘tha patet tato yadi yatra kva va abhadram abhud
amusya kim. This verse is very important. Even by sentiment one comes
to Krsna consciousness and discharges the regulative duties, chants
Hare Krsna, his next life is guaranteed as a human being. Even he does
it for some time–he is not perfect–still, his next life is
guaranteed. But others, there is no such guarantee. Even if he
discharges his so-called duties, material duties, there is no
guarantee that he’ll become a human being. (break)

Harikesa: They let him [Ajamila] stay in that body and then he went to Hrsikesa
and performed devotional service and then became perfect.
Prabhupada: No, he was already perfect, but to increase his
desire–“How shall I go Vaikuntha?”–another time he had to go. He was
a perfect; otherwise how he was saved from the Yamadutas?

Harikesa: So if a devotee dies and remembers Krsna, although he is not
perfect…
Prabhupada: Unless he is perfect, he cannot remember Krsna. That is
not possible. That is not possible. That is theory only. He must be
perfect. Somehow or other, he fallen, so Krsna gives him the chance.
That is special concession for devotee. Some way or other, you become
devotee. Even if you cannot finish the whole job, if you fall down,
still, there is guarantee that you get your birth in a very good
society. That is the prerogative.
Jnana: What about like Maharaja Bharata?
Prabhupada: That was also. If Maharaja Bharata… It was punishment
and reward also. Maharaja Bharata, although he became a deer, he
remembered that he was such and such exalted position but “I became
attached to the deer and I forgot my regular duties.” Maharaja
Bharata, he became so much attached to the deer, he forgot his regular
duties. Therefore he was punished. But he remembered that “I was in
such exalted position. On account of my attachment to the deer I have
fallen.” Therefore he rectified himself so that in his next life he
became completely silent so that “I may not fall down,” Jada Bharata.
This association, material association, is so dangerous, so he

remained just like a dull madman. That’s all. He was talking with
nobody; he was not mixing with anybody. Whatever one would do, he did
not protest, but his knowledge was full.
Devotee (7): Is there any difference in (indistinct) when somebody is
chanting japa under the tree and someone who is chanting japa in the
temple?
Prabhupada: Hm?

Brahmananda: I think sometimes we recommend the devotees to chant
their rounds in the temple rather than walk in other places.

Prabhupada: Why one should walk other places? Who has said that you go
out, walk other places? Never said.
Devotee (7): It may not really be necessary.
Prabhupada: No. You should chant in the temple. Why should you go to
other place?
Devotee (7): So there is no difference someone chanting out of the
temple, in the temple.
Prabhupada: Why you should go outside? Who has allowed him to go
outside? Unless he has got some important business for the temple, why
one should go to outside? There is no need. That is the chance of
falling down. Why you should go outside? We are arranging for the

temple, for the food. Why? Because everyone should stick to the temple
and the principles. Why you should go to outside? That should be
stopped. You cannot go outside.
Devotee (7): May we go to the shop to buy something?
Prabhupada: That is another thing. That is for temple’s benefit or
business. That is another thing. Somebody goes to sell books, somebody
goes to make some life members. That is another thing. Otherwise one
is not allowed at all. Not whimsically “I am going out.” Why you are
spoiling your men?

Devotee (9): Prabhupada, sometimes I’ve seen devotees say that they
did not like to chant in the temple room with the opposite…

Prabhupada: Then that is a rascal. He is not a devotee. He is a
rascal, when a devotee says… How you become devoted? If he does not
like the temple and he thinks to be happy outside, what is he? What
kind of devotee he is? He is not a devotee.

Devotee (9): What I meant to say is he does not want to chant with
women in the temple room. I have seen this before. He says, “I do not
want to chant in a room with women. I would rather be away from the
women.”
Prabhupada: That means he has got distinction between men and women.

He is not yet pandit. Panditah sama-darsinah. He is a fool. That’s
all. He is a fool. So what is the value of his words? He is a fool.

Indian man (4): So he’ll go first to make…
Prabhupada: He should always consider, “There is woman, that’s all.
She is my mother.” That’s all. Matrvat para-daresu. Then what is
the…? Suppose you sit down with your mother and chant. What is the
wrong? But he is not so strong; then he should go to the forest. Why
he should live in the Nairobi city? On the street there are so many
women. He will walk on the street closing the eyes? (laughter) This is
all rascaldom. They are rascals. They are not devotees, simply
rascals.

Indian man (4): Some of our devotee goes to the other temple like
Swami Narayana and they want to see the ladies there, so then they are
taking these instruction from them.
Prabhupada: Our devotees go to Swami Narayana?
Indian man (4): Yes, they go. Here our devotees, they went to Mombassa
for, after Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. When I was not there, all of them
went to Swami…
Prabhupada: These things should be stopped. They leave their own
temple and go to Swami Narayana temple? Stop.

Indian man (4): They likes their lunch. They goes for lunch. Yes,
that’s true. All of them went without asking me. About five, six
devotees, immediately from here went to Swami Narayana.
Prabhupada: So this should be rectified.
Indian man (4): And their theory is that… I asked Vipramukhya Swami
that “Why you have put this? Why you say to your disciple that we
should not see the face of the woman?” He said that, “We should
avoid.” But I said, “Well, okay, when you are walking on the road
automatically you will see the ladies.” He said, “We turn our face to
one side.” I said, “First you have seen the woman. Then you are
turning.” (laughter) “You will look further. You have not seen the
women. You have no sense, you know.”

Prabhupada: These are all bogus things. One should train himself that
matravat para-daresu, all women, “my mother.” Then it will be possible
to live… Therefore the etiquette is to address every woman, “Ma, ma,
mother.” That is the etiquette.
Brahmananda: You say like “Mother Rukmini”? There’s a devotee named
Rukmini. You say, “Mother Rukmini”? How do you address a woman? Do you
say, “Mother,” and then the name of the devotee?
Prabhupada: No. “Mother,” simply.

Brahmananda: Just “Mother.”
Prabhupada: Yes. They should be addressed, “Mother.” That will train.
Indian man (4): In our Indian culture they don’t call the name of the
mother never, children don’t.
Prabhupada: No. “Mother,” simply “mother,” that’s all. And if the
woman treats man as son, then it is all right. It is safe.
Indian woman: We got a very sweet sound. Everything we use “ji.”
“Mataji”, “Pitaji,” “Brataji,” “Bahinji.”
Prabhupada: Or… And the woman says, “Beta.”(?) That’s all right.
Devotee (5): The only trouble is in the West we’re accustomed to not
like our mothers.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Devotee (5): In the West we don’t like our mothers.
Prabhupada: So you should forget your West or East. (break)
Brahmananda: Similarly, wife should not be called “Mother.”
Prabhupada: No. Therefore it is said, “other’s wife,” not your wife.
But Ramakrishnan, he was saying his wife “mother,” and he became
famous by this foolishness.
Indian man (4): Ramakrishnan, there are many like Shyama mother. Her
husband, he calls her “mother.”

Prabhupada: Just see. In the Brahma-samaj they call the wife as
“sister,” and the wife calls the husband “brother,” address like that.
Indian man (6): Srila Prabhupada, since there is no distinction
between “man” and “woman”–these are both designations–is it possible
for a woman to become a brahmana?

Brahmananda: Is it possible for a woman to become a brahmana?
Prabhupada: He is… Woman is a brahmana’s wife. Then she is
automatically a brahmana.
Indian man (6): Suppose she doesn’t want to get married for the rest
of her life, just wants to serve the Lord?
Prabhupada: So in his spiritual position everyone is a brahmana.
Brahmananda: But you give brahminical initiation to unmarried women.
Prabhupada: Yes. But on spiritual point she is brahmana. On the
spiritual platform there is no such distinction.

Devotee (7): Oh, it’s not possible for a woman to become a sannyasi.
Prabhupada: No.
Devotee (2): What is the position of the woman in a…, late in life,
the wife of a devotee?
Prabhupada: What is that position?
Brahmananda: After the husband takes sannyasa?

Devotee (2): Yes.
Brahmananda: What is the duties of the woman after the husband takes
sannyasa?
Prabhupada: So remain a devotee, widow. She is not allowed to marry.
Indian man (4): I know, Prabhupada, one of your Godsisters in
Vrndavana. She is very old. She is staying in Tirtha Maharaja’s matha.
So she told me she took her initiation when she was about sixteen year
old and still she stays in the temple and she… (break) …say you’re
the most pious person on this planet.
Prabhupada: Yes. Hare Krsna. (end)