Rocana dasa still in a nose dive‏

April 19, 2014 in Yasoda nandana Dasa by KHD

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by George Smith

Is Rocana dasa another zonal acarya wannabe?

I rarely read anything that Rocana dasa writes anymore. Now and then I check the waters so to speak, to see if he is continuing to spiral downwards or hopefully checked his downward momentum by divesting himself of his offensive attitude and thirst for glory.  As ever pilot knows however, its hard to come out of a tail spin as Rocanas latest painful cry posted on the Sampraday Sun on April 10th,Deconstructing the Lilamrta – Part 55
  BY: ROCANA DASA in which he tells us that all of the devotees who think that Srila Prabhupada is still alive are fools brings our attention to his statement:
  Those devotees who like to adamantly state that Srila Prabhupada is ‘still alive’, and ISKCON should just go along as if that were the assumption, are fools. This is just one of innumerable circumstances where Srila Prabhupada stepped in and saved not only the money, but the movement. It was his ability to function in the real world and his perception about who was a devotee and who was basically a demon that saved the day, and was a great contributing factor in the amazing expansion of Krsna consciousness during that period, when Srila Prabhupada was directly overseeing of the movement. Of course, he is still with us in his vani legacy, but there is no replacing his actual physical presence with us to guide and solve problems, hands-on
  Although Rocana dasa throws in the last sentence in order to put a golden guild upon the turd that he has just dumped into our lap, his eagerness to get rid of Srila Prabhupada so that he can step up into his position, his anger and envy come through with such a stench that one has to wear a clothespin on ones nose to continue to read through the piece of crap
    Rocana dasa, I am sorry to say, is beginning to look like just another Zonal Acharya wannabe, engaging in the same kind of wishful thinking as they do, wishing Srila Prabhupada dead and he like them seems to be suffering the same frustration from his and theirs inability to kill him.
We have of course the words of the the Vaisnava acaryas countering Rocanas claims that Srila Prabhupada is dead:
He reasons ill who tells that Vaishnavas die 
When thou are living still in sound. 
The Vaishnavas die to live 
and living try to Spread a holy life around!
 
    That Rocana dasa intelligence has continued to be become even more and more degraded, stolen away by illusion is further empathized by the fact that he has become so idiotic as to think that the a key factor or reason that we need an Acharya is to be physically present in order to instruct us on how to conduct business deals, clean out ears or wipe our….. Although he attempts to back peddle and cover his ass with some well chosen words after this idiotic statement, that he fails to provide the essential reasons why a spiritual master is needed (which is to direct us in how to perform devotional service) and how it is that Srila Prabhupada can no longer serve in that respect due to changes in real estate values, whatever, shows his point to be just another baited hook by which he intends to catch the innocent so as reel them in.
    As far as such things as calculating such things as real estate values, dealing with crooks we have each other, still a society despite whats been done to it and as far as cleaning myself after I take a dump I have a print out of Rocanas latest article for that.
And what we need an Acarya and initiating spiritual master for, Srila Prabhupada still is, we still have and by Krsnas mercy, we are going to keep him.
750716pc.sf Conversations
Reporter (2): What will happen to the movement in the United States when you die?
Prabhupada: I WILL NEVER DIE.
Devotees: Jaya! Hari bol! (laughter)
Prabhupada: I SHALL LIVE From MY BOOKS, AND YOU WILL UTILIZE.
Reporter (2): Are you training a successor?
Prabhupada: Yes, my Guru Maharaja is there. Where is my photo of Guru Maharaja? I think… Here is.
Indian Lady: … is that spiritual master still guiding after death?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Just like Krsna is guiding us, similarly spiritual master will guide us. (General lectures, 69/09/23)
DevoteeSrila Prabhupada when you’re not present with us, how is it possible to receive instructions? For example in questions that may arise…
SRILA PRABHUPADA: Well the questions are answ… answers are there in my books
(Morning Walk, Los Angeles, 13/5/73) 

So utilise whatever time you find to make a thorough study of my books. Then all your questions will be answered. (Letter to Upendra, 7/1/76)
MADHUDVISA: I was referring to a living Spiritual Master.
SRILA PRABHUPADA: Spiritual Master is not question of … Spiritual Master is eternal…so your question is ‘without Spiritual Master’. Without Spiritual Master you cannot be at any stage of your life. You may accept this Spiritual master or that Spiritual master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept. As you say that “by reading Bible”, when you read Bible that means you are following the Spiritual Master represented by some priest or some clergyman in the line of Lord Jesus Christ.
 (Morning Walk, Seattle, 2/10/68)
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
                           Ys George Smith

Narada-kunda Dasi 2:49pm Feb 5
Hridayananda and His Dogs
BY: GEORGE A. SMITH

Mar 07, CALIFORNIA, USA (SUN) —

“In contradicting the principles of modern psychology and sociology, which have been proven scientifically beyond any doubt, Srila Prabhupada has exceeded his authority.”
Hridayananda

Over thirty years ago, people like Hridayananda and the other 11 Zonals jumped for joy at Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance, imagining that they were free at last of his authority over them and the International Society for Krsna Consciousness. Over thirty years later, Srila Prabhupada is still, however, the leader of the Krsna consciousness movement and is still telling them what to do through his books. You cannot imagine their frustration.

Over thirty years ago they forgot the most important thing, vani and vapu. That before you can kill a great man, you must first kill his name.

So over thirty years later they are still trying to get rid of him, still trying to get rid of him by editing him out of his own books. They are still trying to kill his name.

In the above noted excerpt from one of Hridayananda’s lectures we see a continuation of this effort to remove Srila Prabhupada by calling into question his education, by claiming that he was ignorant, by implying that Srila Prabhupada simply did not know what he was talking about in his books but that he went on talking anyway, the characteristic of the worst type of ignorance.

Hridayananda always imagines himself to be very clever, very intelligent, and he thinks that he has figured out the perfect solution to ISKCON’s dilemma, that solution being to divide Srila Prabhupada — to make on the one hand a Srila Prabhupada who, when he speaks on Krsna, is always accurate, and another Srila Prabhupada who is just a normal man, one who speaks out of ignorance and makes many claims when in all actuality he simply does not know what he is talking about. By doing this, both Hridayananda and ISKCON can go through Srila Prabhupada’s books with a pen knife and cut him out every time the country bumpkin opens his mouth. They only have to retain Srila Prabhupada’s claims in regards to Sri Krsna. Unfortunately for Hridayananda, this clever little trick will not work because:

“I didn’t write these books, Krsna wrote these books.”

According to Hridayananda’s logic, statements made by Srila Prabhupada about Sri Krsna are supreme authority and beyond question. Statements made by him that conflict with the principles of modern day science and psychology can, however, be dismissed as simply being the errors of an old man who was poorly educated, the product of his conditioning, and who simply did not know what he was talking about in respect to modern day science.

The problem for Hridayananda and for all of ISKCON that has adapted this tactic is that if Srila Prabhupada’s statements concerning Krsna are supremely authoritative and beyond question, as they maintain, then this statement and many others similar to it must be accepted as being absolutely true. Krsna, not Srila Prabhupada, is the author of the books that they are tearing the pages out of to replace with their own scribbling.

The disciple encountering such statements by Srila Prabhupada as this one, where he claims that Krsna is the author of his books, has of course the same choices as Hridayananda and his new found friends, the disciples of Charles Darwin and Sigmund Freud, the modern day psychologists have when they encounter them.

He can accept them as literal and then choose whether to accept them as being true or being untrue based upon his own beliefs, prejudices, or position of knowledge, real or imagined; he can simply skip over them, deferring judgment to some later date when he feels more comfortable, more informed; or he can choose to interpret such statements.

Such a statement as this one, for example may be interpreted as being hyperbole or some other sort of poetic manner of speech. Rameswara, however, did this once. He tried to explain what Srila Prabhupada actually meant when he claimed that he saw Krsna to some guests. He did this while Srila Prabhupada happened to be in the same room. Srila Prabhupada overheard him and immediately corrected him in front of the guests, telling them “No, I see Krsna.” Telling him, telling them, telling us and telling Hridayananda’s new found friends, the modern day scientific psychologists, that Srila Prabhupada sees God and that God is even controlling him, moving his hand to write his books, moving his feet, making him dance.

Clearly, interpreting Srila Prabhupada’s claims regarding Lord Krsna to be other than literal is not an option. Therefore one can only accept that he was lying or speaking the truth as he was experiencing it when he said that he was seeing God, that God was writing his books, moving his feet, making him dance.

Hridayananda’s new found friends, the authorities that he brings in to the movement now to take away Srila Prabhupada’s authority over us (and over him) do not, however, have the same options as we do. They can only accept that Srila Prabhupada was either lying or that he was mad.

Modern day psychology, unaware of or despising of its humble origins and predicated philosophically upon a world view which accepts Locke’s assertion that God is unknowable by definition, can only accept Srila Prabhupada’s claim to be true from the viewpoint that while yes, he may have been experiencing some vision of Krsna, that the cause of that vision was only in his head.

In regards to the science of psychology and its principle object of study, the human brain, Dr. Carl Sagan several years ago very elegantly stated the fundamentalist materialist position for popular audiences in his book, Dragons of Eden. This position, which is generally accepted as having been proven scientifically, beyond any doubt by all psychologists, is that the brain can be understood entirely in terms of molecular chemistry. Thus they can accept that while yes, Srila Prabhupada may have been experiencing something that made him think that he was seeing God, throughout the centuries men (and women) have been experiencing things which they experienced as being visitations from God, Angels or Aliens, but according to Hridayananda’s new found friends, these topmost authorities of Science and Psychology, all of these various persons, Jesus, Mohamed, Srila Prabhupada were simply hallucinating. And if their hallucinations were directing them, writing their books, moving their feet, making them dance, in the eyes of Hridayananda’s new found friends that he brings in to help us “understand” Jesus, Mohamed, Srila Prabhupada, Lord Chaitanya too, all of them were psychotic.

People in general, not just the devotees, find themselves to be intimidated when people come in talking science. As products of our conditioning, we in the West have been taught to revere science, and not God as the ultimate authority. Thus when science speaks there is no appeal to its conclusions. In addition to this most people do not have the benefit as Hridayananda has had of being able to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to go away to school and get such a big, big education and thus they are afraid of appearing ignorant or stupid, of being mocked and ridiculed if they open their mouths to object to the assertions being made by such men as Hridayananda and his new found friends. And in cases where people have actually, or think that they have actually experienced some experience of the divine they are generally afraid to open their mouths to tell about their experiences for fear of being labeled as crazy.

Both ISKCON and Hridayananda have long been demonizing devotees in order to misappropriate their service, etc., or to get rid of them, but there was one devotee that they could not employ this tactic against. That devotee was, of course, Srila Prabhupada, who they would have immediately been themselves thrown out of the movement by had they tried to employ this tactic against him. Thus they had to find some other way to remove Srila Prabhupada, since such things as mere death seemed inadequate to remove him.

Nowhere within the entire content of Gaudiya Vaisnavism or within the whole of Vedic literature could they find anything that was adequate to their destined aim of reducing Srila Prabhupada’s authority over them. They had to find some other way to remove him. They had to think. “What do the people revere above even God?” Slowly the answer dawned in their primitive cerebral cortexes. Science. And so it was decided that they would send the best of them, their best minds, back to their roots, back to the places that they had gone away from, back into the Demonic civilization of the West to learn from its pundits the one discipline which they could use to reduce Srila Prabhupada to the status of simply a mascot, removing him completely from his status as the supreme authority over the devotees: Science.

But let us examine this science Hridayananda has brought back to us, the vision of modern day psychology that Hridayananda claims that Srila Prabhupada was so ignorant of. How unassailable actually is it, how founded upon scientifically proven things? Let us look at this megalithic structure that Hridayananda presents to us that he thinks that we poor primitives can only scratch our heads at as we wait for him to throw us a bone and let us see just how ignorant Srila Prabhupada really was of it, as Hridayananda claims of him to be. Let us look first at its origins, which we can infer from Hridayananda’s presentation are completely free of anything that might even resemble the things that Hridayananda sneers at so contemptuously, the magical view of reality.

“Spare sent a copy of The Book of Pleasure to Sigmund Freud who described it as one of the most significant revelations of subconscious mechanisms that had appeared in modern times.”
Kenneth Grant, O.T.O.

While Kenneth Grant isn’t exactly himself someone who is considered to be a scientist by the scientific establishment, Jack Parsons, the founder of J.P.L., (Jet Propulsion Laboratory) and one of his peers and co-workers in the hermetic discipline that he follows certainly is, and Grant himself is nonetheless someone who is well enough acquainted with the person that he is speaking about to have written several books about him. What we can be sure of is that Spare was given quite a recommendation from the father of modern day psychology. Freud was considering Spare to be the most significant revelationist of subconscious mechanisms appearing in modern times and was furthermore being educated by Spare and familiarized with his most significant contributions to modern day psychology. But who was this person Spare, and more importantly, what was he, what were his credentials, what type of scientist was he?

“Although Spare had no specific teacher where his art was concerned, he did have a teacher – or perhaps guru would be a more appropriate term – in a “magical” sense. During his most impressionable years circumstances led him into the company of a self-confessed witch, a mysterious Mrs. Paterson who befriended him and initiated him into the mysteries of her craft. He was extremely reticent about Mrs Paterson. All that I was able to elicit from him during the eight years of friendship was that she was very old when he met her and that she claimed descent from a line of Salem (New England) witches that Cotton Mather had failed to eradicate.”
Kenneth Grant

Spare wasn’t a scientist at all. This person that the founder of modern day psychology Sigmund Freud appreciated as being of the greatest value to modern day science and psychology was, in fact, a Witch.

There are very few Psychologists who are aware of Freud’s connection to Spare, with the influence of Salem Witchcraft and the Jewish mystical tradition upon the founder of modern day science of psychology. This was generally not presented in the history section, so Hridayananda’s lack of familiarity with it can perhaps be forgiven. The co-founder of modern day scientific psychology, Carl Jung’s penchant for using astrology on the other hand is notorious, and was definitely included in the historical presentation, usually accompanied with a sneer or a snigger from whichever low brow college professor just happened to be teaching the class.

“While studying astrology I have applied it to concrete cases many times…”
C. G. Jung: Letters, volume 2, 1951-1961, pages 463-464, letter to Robert L. Kroon, 15 November 1958

Witches and Astrologers.

Lions and tigers and bears. Oh My!”

That Hridayananda shares this attitude of contempt and general ignorance towards the foundations of the citadel of the modern science of psychology is evidenced by the following:

“…before this the Europeans lived in a world that was basically permeated by hobgoblins and spirits and evil beings (witches) and trolls under bridges and is was really sort of like this fairy tale world full of superstition full of irrational fears and so on and so forth…something like certain sectors of ISKCON do.”
Hridayananda, July 10th, 2007 Dallas, Texas

“Certain sectors of IKSCON…” Hmm, whichever might he mean?

Lets see, Hridayananda doesn’t believe in Witches, probably not in astrology either, as it has also been proven to be beyond any doubt unscientific by his new found friends, so which sector of ISKCON is so out of touch with reality that they continue to believe in all of these ridiculous things (at least ridiculous by Hridayananda’s estimate and by the estimate of his new found friends)”

Wait a minute. Srila Prabhupada believed in Witches, didn’t he? And Lord Krsna, He believed in them too. Why, it is even claimed in the Bhagavatam and Krsna Book that Lord Krsna even killed a particularly mean and nasty Witch: Putana, that bitch.

So then obviously the sector of ISKCON that Hridayananda is referring to so derisively and contemptuously is the sector of ISKCON that Srila Prabhupada, Srimad Bhagavatam, and Lord Krsna and I are in, and not the sector of ISKCON that Hridayananda belongs to.

Whew! What a relief, he had me scared for a moment, fearing that I might be in the sector that Hridayananda is in.

So this modern day science of Psychology that Hridayananda brings to us is actually beholding to Witchcraft, magick, such things as Hridayananda is so obviously contemptuous of and we are to assume that Hridayananda knows what he is talking about, or that they do, the modern day psychologists who are just as ignorant for the main (there are some exceptions) as he is of the foundations of their faith and the elements that contributed to its development and are still contributing to it.

During and around the middle of the 20th century some clinical experiments were conducted using a derivative of a fungus extract that is now, by many, considered to be responsible for the Salem Witch craze. The Fungus was ergot which grows on Rye, one of the grains that was a staple of Colonial America and the derivative was a drug abbreviated as LSD. The purpose of these experiments was to determine whether or not this drug could be used to do what psychology had been as yet unable to do, which was to provide liberation to those persons who were suffering from the effects of an imprint, or, I think you refer to them as samskaras, or impressions. The drug had been clinically proven to be able to break an imprint.

During the course of these experiments there was an unexpected development. The subjects of the experiments were hallucinating about past lives. People who were not French, who didn’t speak French, who had never been to France were recounting past life experiences of being in France and singing songs, in French. People who had never learned how to play the piano were hallucinating that in a previous lifetime they had been Mozart and playing Mozart on the piano. The experiments were shut down and all further research banned and criminalized. It is illegal today in every country in the world.

One of the questions that came up during the course of this was, “How many imprints does a person have?” Prior to these experiments psychology thought that it was only dealing with the imprints or impressions that each individual had acquired in this single life, because by now it had completely forgotten Freud’s consideration of Spare and had never investigated him. Had they, they would have encountered what Freud deemed to be so remarkable in Spares works — a technique of magical invocation by which these past lives and their powers could be accessed. In the experiments with LSD, science had come up with something that called into question its established facts, that suggested that it, as it was, really had no idea of what it was talking about, that suggested that rather than being the affair of a lifetime, that the living entity is part of a continuum in which he exists eternally, going from body to body, life to life, and bringing with him the spirits of the dead and whatever was associated with them.

Even had science accepted this suggestion, the futility of attempting to use the drug LSD as a means to award liberation would have become apparent, for one was probably dealing with millions of imprints or impressions, not just the ones that had been gathered during the early moments of this one single lifetime. LSD might be useful to a limited degree but this most powerful drug that they’d ever come up with was, in reality, little more than a band-aide, to really give liberation you needed something hundreds of thousands of times more powerful than LSD. You needed Krsna Consciousness. You need the Maha mantra, Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. That is actually the conclusion of modern day scientific psychology, just most of them are not aware of it yet. Srila Prabhupada was, however, familiar with this conclusion.

Hridayananda and ISKCON have brought to us a Science in denial, a science that is in the employ of an establishment that views all life as soulless and in terms of dollars and cents, a science which is neither objective or curious and which only serves the status quo, the demonic and atheistic civilization that is its master. Hridayananda in his eternal lust for sense gratification has brought us this dog of the atheists to tear away at our faith in Srila Prabhupada.

Dog has brought us dog, one person acting in animal consciousness has brought us others acting in animal consciousness upon the theory that even the greatest lion, by enough jackals, can be dragged down.

I am not a big, big devotee like Hridayananda. I am, in fact, nothing and no one, just something very much like a mean old junkyard dog that Srila Prabhupada was so kind to and on account of that kindness, loves him as much as a creature like me can possibly love.

Dog against dogs, then. You will not drag Srila Prabhupada down as long as I stand.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Hare Krsna
George A. Smith

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