Bogus gurus-all you wanted to know-SP

August 18, 2013 in Articles, Damaghosa Dasa by Nityananda Rama dasa


Hare Krsna to all
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Below we have two separate articles I compiled over time. And they both go  together
very well. The first one Srila Prabhupada explains a few,  very important points”
1.accept a guru who is infallible
2.if you dont get a qualified guru, then everything is bogus.
3.if you dont find such a guru, that means Krsna is not pleased with  you
or you are not serious enough.
4. guru must be accepted from highest order-paramahamsa order
5. who has been cheated by bogus gurus? He says “practically  everyone”
The second section deals with these points:
1. if one receives a mantra from a bogus guru-it has no effect
2.not only is this mantra useless, but your deity worship is the same
3.series of quotes which explain how the bogus guru AND his disciples go to  hell
Hare Krsna
Damaghosa das
■761003SB.VRN                    Lectures                   214022/530501 guru… Sisyas te ‘ham sadhi mam prapannam: “Now, Krsna, I  accept You as my guru. Not as friend.” Because friendly talking is useless  waste of time. He accepted Him as guru. When guru speaks, you cannot  argue. That is not the process. You should accept a guru who is  infallible. Otherwise it is useless. He accepted guru Krsna because Krsna  is infallible. If we accept guru, a bogus guru, then it is no  benefit. Guru means Krsna’s representative. Not that  everyone can be guru.  

720911rc.arl                 Conversations                 332063/530501 Prabhupada: Just like Dhruva Maharaja.He was advised by  his mother that “If you go to the forest you can see God.” So he went there. But  when he was very serious, then Krsna sent him Narada Muni. So if you are  actually serious about Krsna, then Krsna will send you some of His  representative and he will take charge of you. That is the process. If you  do not find a guru, that means Krsna is not yet pleased, either you are not  serious.                  Conversations                 331324/530501 Devotee: What determines, Srila Prabhupada, if one is  serious or one is not serious? What makes one… Prabhupada: Well,  this seriousness comes after many, many births. It is also not so easy. Rupa  Gosvami says, tatra laulyam api mulyam ekalam janma-koti-sukrtair na  labhyate. He wrote a verse, krsna-bhakti-rasa-bhavita matih kriyatam yadi  kuto ‘pi labhyate: “The krsna-bhakti, Krsna consciousness, this thing, if you  can purchase somewhere, just immediately purchase it.”  Krsna-bhakti-rasa-bhavita matih kriyatam: “Just purchase.” Yadi kuto ‘pi  labhyate. First of all, if you want to purchase, the things must be  available. Yadi kuto. Therefore kuto ‘pi, “If it is available, immediately  purchase.” Then next question is, “What is the value? What is the price I  have to pay?” Then he said, tatra laulyam ekalam mulyam, “Simply your  serious eagerness to have it. That is the price.” “Oh, that I can have  very easily.” “No.” Janma-koti-sukrtair na labhyate: “That laulyam,  that seriousness, is not obtained after thousands of years’  pious activities.” It is so difficult. Janma-koti-sukrtair na  labhyate. People are acting piously, but that kind of seriousness is  not available even after executing pious activities for thousands  of lives. So that seriousness is also very difficult, to become  very
serious that “In this life I shall finish my business and go  home, back to home, back to Godhead.” Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan  mam prapadyate. Krsna says, “After many, many births, when actually  one becomes in knowledge, he surrenders unto Me.”
761101SB.VRN                    Lectures                   225162/530501 This is religion. Adau gurvasrayam. If you do not get a  qualified guru, then everything is bogus. If you, by good fortune, if you  get the association of a guru, qualified hamsa, paramahamsa…  Paramahamsa guru means sannyasi’s last stage is paramahamsa. Kuticaka,  bahudaka, parivrajakacarya, and paramahamsa, these are the different  stages. When one takes sannyasa, he lives outside the village in a kuti, in  a cottage, and the family members goes and delivers him the food, because  he is not practiced. So in the beginning, he keeps up this association of  neighborhood or family, but he is not practiced. He therefore lives outside  the village, and if somebody gives some food, he eats. Then when he becomes  experienced, then he does not accept food from one, either his own home or  one home. He takes foodstuff from many homes: “Give me a little piece of  capati.” So somebody gives half, because they are also not overburdened. If  they have to deliver, so many sannyasis come, and sumptuous food, then how  the grhastha will provide? Therefore though… They do not overburden. There  may be other sannyasis, therefore little only. Madhupuri. The  Gosvamis practiced this madhupuri in Vrndavana. They lived, but they would  take little only from the house. This is called bahudaka. Then when he  has practiced more, he travels all over the world, parivrajakacarya.  And
when he is fully experienced, then, in spiritual life and  everything, then he is paramahamsa. So one must find out a guru  who is paramahamsa. Neither kuticaka, nor bahudaka, nor  parivrajakacarya. Paramahamsa. …. Then our strong desire to  enjoy this material world in different way, that will be slackened. That is  wanted.    Thank you very much.
SSR  2                  Choosing a Spiritual Master         182103/530501 Reporter: Have the real gurus like yourself ever tried to  put a stop to the false gurus–that is, put pressure on them to put them out  of business, so to speak? Srila Prabhupada: No, that is not my  purpose. I started my movement simply by chanting Hare Krsna. I chanted in  New York in a place called Tompkins Square Park, and soon people began to  come to me. In this way, the Krsna consciousness movement gradually  developed. Many accepted, and many did not accept. Those who are fortunate  have accepted. Reporter: Don’t you feel that people are suspicious because  of their experience with fake gurus? If you went to a quack dentist and  he broke your tooth, you might be suspicious about going to  another dentist. Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Naturally, if you are cheated, you  become suspicious. But this does not mean that if you are cheated once,  you will always be cheated. You should find someone genuine. But to  come to Krsna consciousness, you must be either very fortunate or  well aware of this science. From the Bhagavad-gita we understand  that the genuine seekers are very few: manusyanam sahasresu kascid  yatati siddhaye. Out of many millions of people, there may be only one who  is
interested in spiritual life. Generally, people are interested  in eating, sleeping, mating, and defending. So how can we expect to  find many followers? It is not difficult to notice that people have  lost their spiritual interest. And almost all those who are  actually interested are being cheated by so-called spiritualists.
Reporter: I wondered how many people you think might have been  taken in by fake gurus. Srila Prabhupada: Practically  everyone. [Laughter.] There is no question of counting.  Everyone. Reporter: This would mean thousands of people,  wouldn’t it? Srila Prabhupada: Millions. Millions have been cheated,  because they want to be cheated. God is omniscient. He can  understand your desires. He is within your heart, and if you want to be  cheated, God sends you a cheater.
Continuing along the way with exposing bogus gurus and their followers, we  here below have
 a very conclusive statement by Srila Prabhupada where he clearly  explains that if one has a bogus
guru, then that persons “deity worship” is also bogus.
701223SB.SUR                    Lectures                  Devotee  (3): In regard to worshiping arca-vigraha form, you have explained that  if one receives a mantra from a spiritual master who is not bona  fide, that mantra has no effect. So I would like to ask  if one is worshiping a Deity and his spiritual master is not bona fide, so  that Deity cannot be considered the Supreme Lord?
Prabhupada: Well, first of all, thing is if the spiritual master  is not bona fide, how his mantra can be bona fide? Your  statement is contradictory. If you say the spiritual master is not bona  fide, then how his mantra becomes bona fide? If he is bona fide, then his  mantra is bona fide. Devotee (3): Then why is he giving instruction to  worship the Deity? If the spiritual master is not bona fide, then is the  Deity also not bona fide? Prabhupada: I do not follow. What does he  say? Tamala Krsna: His idea is that if one receives a mantra from  a spiritual master, if the spiritual master is not bona  fide… Prabhupada: Then there is no question of mantra. There is  no question of worshiping Deity. These are all bogus things. If  you are not… Just like here is a young medical man. If he has not  received instruction from a bona fide medical college, so what is the value  of
his medical, being… That is… What is called? What is the  technical name? Devotee (4): Quack. Prabhupada: Quack! (laughter)  (pronounces like “quark”) Devotees: Quack. Prabhupada: A quack is not a  medical man, however he may show all red bottles, white bottles. There is a  Bengali proverb, naj jal yac curi tini ei daktar.(?) One stethoscope, naj(?),  and some bottles, jala, and talking all nonsense, he becomes a doctor. That  means the quack doctor, not a… Qualified doctor, he knows what is what. So  naj jal yac curi tini ei daktar(?). In Bengali they say. And mostly  in villages they go on like that. But of course, they have got  some experience. I know in Allahabad there was a doctor, Kabhir, a  Dr. Kabhir. And because in my previous household life I was a chemist  and druggist, I was supplying medicine, so he was my customer. So he  had that… This Dr. Kabhir was a compounder. Later on he practiced. So  he had very, very big prac… He was my biggest customer. He  was purchasing medicine like anything. But he had experience. He  learned from an experienced doctor. He cannot be called a bogus,  because whatever he learned, he was… But generally, one who is not a  bona
fide doctor, he is called a quack. So anything, experience required, not  that you have to go to the medical college. If you are trained under a bona  fide doctor, then also you can get the quality of a doctor.  Similarly, the whole thing is tad-vijnanartham sa  gurum evabhigacchet. One should go to the bona fide spiritual master  to learn this transcendental science.

Follow bogus guru-you  go to hell

SB 1.19.37  P    The Appearance of Sukadeva Gosvami    Unless  one is perfectly anxious to inquire about the way of perfection, there is no  necessity of approaching a spiritual master. A spiritual master is not a kind of  decoration for a householder. Generally a fashionable materialist engages a  so-called spiritual master without any profit. The pseudo spiritual  master flatters the so-called disciple, and thereby both the master and his ward  go to hell without a doubt.

72-12-14.Letter: Tusta  Krsna    As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees  deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can  become spiritual master. But unless he on that platform he should not  attempt it. Then both of them will to go to hell, like blind men  leading the blind.

SB 6.7.14  Indra  Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati.    Leaders who have fallen  into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of  destruction [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, boarding a  stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be  unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers.  Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers  go with them.

Isopanisad Mantra  12:

 The Lord states  that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service-which is the one and only  way to approach the Personality of Godhead-one attains complete freedom from the  bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the  material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment  gained from serving the Lord. The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor  detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden  shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities  disguised as religious principles. By a false display of religious  sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all  sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and  devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the  authoritative ācāryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic  succession. They ignore the Vedic injunction ācāryopāsana-“One must  worship the ācārya“-and Kṛṣṇa’s  statement in the Bhagavad-gītā (4.2) evaṁ paramparā-prāptam, “This supreme  science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” Instead, to  mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called  ācāryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the  ācāryas.

These rogues are  the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious  government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot,  however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the  Bhagavad-gītā that envious demons in  the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of  hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Śrī Īśopaniṣad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious  place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense  gratification.