Love for God is preceded by knowledge-SP says Yes!

January 18, 2023 in Articles by Damaghosa dasa

June 28 ,1976 New Vrndavana
Prabhupāda: So these people, these mahājanas, they know what is the principles of religion. Religion means bhagavata-dharma, to understand God and our relationship with God. That is religion. You may call it Hindu religion or Muslim religion or Christian religion, but real religion is that which teaches how to love God.
 
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: This is off the record, but one may ask if someone like Christ or Moses was not mentioned amongst the mahājanas, present some sort of religion…
 
Prabhupāda:No, mahājana there is in Christian messiahs. There is mahājana. And later on, after Christ, there was so many other. Saint Matthew, Saint Thomas, like that. Mahājana is mentioned there. How can you say there is no mahājana?Mahājana means who is strictly following the original religion. That is called mahājana.Or who know the things as they are. They are called mahājana. And that means paramparā system. Just like Arjuna. Arjuna is learning Bhagavad-gītā directly from Kṛṣṇa. He’s mahājana. So you learn from Arjuna. And after hearing Bhagavad-gītā, as Arjuna acted, as Arjuna understood Kṛṣṇa, you follow that. Then mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. Then you are following the mahājana. You are on the real path. Just like we are. Here it is said, mahājana, Svāyambhu. Svāyambhu means Brahmā, Lord Brahmā. So our, this sampradāya, Gauḍīya sampradāya, is Brahma-sampradāya. And Svāyambhu, Nārada. Nārada is also in the brahma-sampradāya. And Śambhu, Lord Śiva, he is also mahājana. He has got his sampradāya, Rudra-sampradāya. And similarly, Śrī-sampradāya. So all these sampradāya we must follow. Sampradāya vihina ye mantras te niṣphala mataḥ.If you do not belong to sampradāya, mahājana, then you are useless. You cannot concoct any religious system. So either you be Christian or Hindu it doesn’t matter. You have to follow the mahājana.If a Christian says, “I don’t believe in St. Thomas,” what kind of Christian he is?Similarly, it doesn’t matter who is a mahā… But real mahājana is he who is strictly following the principle as enunciated by God. That is religious system. Otherwise there is no religion. There is no question of religion. It is simply concoction. Mano-dharmi, mental speculator. Mental speculation is not religion. Religion is the order of Kṛṣṇa and one who follows that order, he is religious. That’s all.
 
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yes. So far I can understand, you’re saying that there’s no need to label that there’s one religion in the world. Rather, everyone can…
Prabhupāda:One religion is there already, that how to love God. This is one religion. Will the Christian say, “No. We don’t want to love God”? Will the Christians say? Will the Mohammedans say, “No, no. We don’t want to love God”? So religion means how to love God, and any religion which teaches how to love God, that is perfect.It doesn’t matter whether he’s Christian or Muslim or Hindu. It doesn’t matter. You have to be educated to take your degree. It doesn’t matter from which college you take degree.Similarly, religion means you have to learn how to love God. If you have no love for God, it is all useless. That is not religion.
.Becauseyou do not understand God. You have no love for God.That is going on, all over the world. They’re stamping under some sect, but there is no real religion. So in order to bring them all in one platform, they have to accept the principles of Bhagavad-gītā, Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. If you do not accept in the beginning Kṛṣṇa, that He is the supreme, then you try to understand that He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is education. There is somebody supreme. So if I say, because I am Hindu, I am Indian, that “Kṛṣṇa is the supreme,” you may say, “Then why Kṛṣṇa? Kṛṣṇa is Indian.” “No. He is God. Just like the sun rises first in India, then comes to Europe. But that does not mean the sun is different. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa, although appeared in India, now He has come to Western countries, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.You try to understand whether Kṛṣṇa is not God or God. But He is God. There is no doubt about it. If you have got intelligence to understand what is God, then try to understand. But He is God undoubtedly. So take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and abide by the order of Kṛṣṇa. Then everyone comes on the same platform, the religious platform, one religion, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Question 19, this is…
Prabhupāda: Now, this is clear or not?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Oh yes.
Prabhupāda: Anyone? We are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, our business is to surrender to Him. And Kṛṣṇa personally advises that “You surrender unto Me. I shall give you all protection.” This is religion.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Sometimes we meet people in our preaching activities. They may, of course, claim to be very devout Christian or Muslim, but at the same time they will blaspheme Kṛṣṇa. Is it possible that such persons can actually be associates of God?
 
Prabhupāda:No, no. It is just like in our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement there are so many Christians, so many Jews, so many Mohammedan, and Hindus. Everyone is there. It is a question of understanding.So in the beginning if… But if he’s serious to understand what is God, then he will accept Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Lord. If he knows what is God, then he’ll understand, “Here is God.”If he remains in darkness, he does not know what is God, then how he’ll understand Kṛṣṇa? He’ll understand Kṛṣṇa as one of us. That’s all. But if he knows what is God then he’ll understand. Yes, here is God, Just like if a person knows what is gold, then anywhere gold, he’ll understand, “Here is gold.” It does not mean only gold, in certain shop only gold is available. But if he knows what is God, what is meaning of God, that he will find in Kṛṣṇa in fullness. Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28]. The śāstra says how He is Bhagavān, what is Bhagavān. You should understand and see from the activities of Kṛṣṇa whether He is not Bhagavān. It requires brain to understand. I say, “Here is God.” Now it is up to you. If you know what is God, then test it, and then you’ll accept God. If you do not know how to test it, then you may refuse. That is another thing. You’ll accept iron as gold. That is your ignorance. You do not know what is gold.But if you actually know what is gold, you will accept Kṛṣṇa as God, there is no doubt about it. So this is the only platform, Bhagavad-gītā. Everyone come and take to Kṛṣṇa and understand God and learn how to love Him and your life is perfect.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: But if the Christians are saying that “This is the only platform, the Bible,” and the Muslims are saying, “This is the only platform, Koran,” and the community of followers of Bhagavad…
Prabhupāda:But we have to see by the result. The result is... Only platform, that only platform, that is decided… Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmaḥ. That is actually religion. How? Yato bhaktir adhokṣaje. If one has learned how to love God. If there is no love of God, then what is the use of claiming that this is the only platform? Where is the sign of love of Godhead? That is to be seen. Simply if you say… Everyone will say, “This, my, this property is the best, or my understanding is…”But there must be practical proof. The practical proof-say how to love God, what is the process of loving God? If you do not know your relationship with God and other’s relationship with God, then how you know God? That is lacking. Nobody can give clear conception of God. Can the Christians give? Then where is love of God? If you have no understanding of what is God, where is the question of love? Love is not fictitious. You cannot love air. You love a person, a beautiful person, a beautiful woman. If you say, “I love air. I love the sky…” Where there is question of love?There must be a person. So who is that person we want to love? But they have no personal conception of God, neither they can describe the personal beauty, capacity, strength, ṣaḍ-aiśvarya-pūrṇaḥ. There is no such description.So they have got the conception of God, but actually they do not know what is God. But religion means you must know God and love Him. That is religion. That is first class religion. Is that clear or not?
 

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Castor oil or Big Oil companies??

January 18, 2023 in Articles by Damaghosa dasa

June 24 1976 New Vrndavana

Prabhupāda:Thisisnastycivilization, unnecessarily increasing necessities of life.Anartha.
Kīrtanānanda: We would not have understood you if you had said that eight, ten years ago.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Kīrtanānanda: Ten years ago I know I could not have understood you if you had said that. Now I understand a little bit.
Prabhupāda: Now suppose these electric lights. So, crude form of light, we grow some castor seed, everything from the earth. This also you are getting from earth, petroleum, and running on machine, and electricity is generated. But really you are getting the impetus from the earth.As soon as the petroleum supply is stopped, everything stopped. But for this purpose you have to search out petroleum from the middle of ocean, boring.Therefore it is ugrakarma. The purpose is that you grow some castor seed, press it, get oil, put in any pot, and one wick, the light is there. So even understanding that you have improved the lighting system, but that is not the only necessity of my life.But to improve from the castor seed lamp, castor oil lamp, to this electricity, you have to work so hard. You have to go to the middle of ocean and drill it and get out petroleum and… In this way your real business of life is finished. The energy and the intelligence you got for your self-realization or your, this precarious position, constantly dying and taking birth in various species of life, this is your problem, and this was to be solved in human life, you have got advanced intelligence, but that intelligence is utilized from castor seed lamp to the electric lamp. That’s all. Just try to understand. What is that improvement? And for this improving from castor seed oil lamp to electricity lamp, you forget your real business. You lost yourself. This civilization is going on. This is called māyā. For some fictitious happiness you lose your whole purpose of life.It is difficult to understand, but the fact is there. But you are under the control of nature, you have to give up this body. All right, you make very nice arrangement to live here, nature will not allow you to live. You must die. And after death you are going to get another body. So in this body, working for high grade electricity lamp, you work so hard, have got your own business, and next life by the laws of nature, if you get the body of a dog, then what is the benefit? That you cannot check. What is the answer? Hmm?
Kulādri: Simple living, high thinking.
Prabhupāda:Huh?
Kulādri: Simple living.
Prabhupāda: No, here is the charge. Now what is your answer? In this life you are living very comfortably, next life if I’m going to be a dog, then this is the charge. Now how this class of men will answer it?Can he deny that he’s not going to be a dog?
Kīrtanānanda: He says he doesn’t believe it.
Prabhupāda: You believe or not believe. Just like this child, it is boy, he does not know anything.But I know, his mother knows, his father knows that he’s going to be young man. If he says, “No, I am not going to be young man,” that is childish.That is childish. But the father, mother, friends know that the boy is going to grow a young man, so he should be educated and he should be properly situated.That is the guardian’s business. He doesn’t know. He doesn’t know.So that he doesn’t know, that does not mean it is fact. So similarly, if rascals say, “I don’t believe it,” that’s not a fact. He is a rascal, mad, he may say so, but that is not the fact. Karaṇaṁguṇasaṅgasya. Real fact is that he’ll have to accept a body according to the quality of development.
Kīrtanānanda: But what if they say that “Actually this life of growing the castor seed is very difficult, farming is very difficult. It is easier to go to the factory for eight hours, and then I come home with my money and I enjoy.”
Prabhupāda: No, you enjoy, but by enjoying, if you forget your real business, is that intelligent?Your real business is that you have got this human form of body to improve your next life. You are going to have a next life. Suppose you are going to be a dog. Is that success? So you must know the science that instead of becoming dog, how shall you become God. That is intelligence.
Kīrtanānanda: Why is it any better to grow castor seed than to dig oil?
Prabhupāda:Huh?
Kīrtanānanda: Why is it any better to grow castor seed than to…
Prabhupāda: No, you require lamp. So you finish that lamping business as simply as possible. In the balance time you save you improve your self-realization. That is the life.Just like this child, he wants to play. He does not go to school, does not take an education, and he improves type of toys, toys, he’s engaged in improved type of football playing, and… Then is that very good intelligence?
Kīrtanānanda: But nobody works longer hours than the farmer.
Prabhupāda:Huh?
Kīrtanānanda: No one works harder than the farmer. The farmer has to work very hard.

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