Etiquette-the Ornament of the Vaisnava

July 3, 2014 in Articles by Nityananda Rama dasa

70-02-20.Jag Letter: Jagannatham Prabhu My Dear Jagannatham Prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances. I am so glad to receive your
letter dated 10 February, 1970, redirected from my New York center.
Perhaps you are the eldest amongst us now living as disciples of Srila
. You are now eighty-one years old, and I am only
seventy-four. Therefore I am your younger brother and I shall always
expect blessings from you.

70-01-14.Jad Letter: Jadurani
So far Devahuti is concerned, she is elder woman but very nice and
sober as well as qualified
. Because she is of the age of all of your
mothers, she should be treated very respectfully
. Nothing should be
ordered to her but simply suggested so that she may work in her own
way. You should personally see to the comforts and conveniences so
that she may feel very happy to stay with you all young boys and
girls. So far I have studied and it is quite natural that she requires
a little respectful dealing from the young boys and girls.

70-04-17.Jay Letter: Jayapataka
Whatever the Spiritual Master gives in His own hand, it should be
accepted immediately as His grace. In the beginning in New York I was
cooking myself and was distributing at least one or two capatis to all
my disciples, at that time not less than a dozen. Gradually,
Kirtanananda Maharaja took charge of the cooking and learned the art
very nicely from me, and he educated all others how to make our
present Prasadam. So in the beginning I was cooking, so there is no
objection to take from the Spiritual Master. It is a question of love
that sometimes I cook, you eat and sometimes you cook, I eat. Our
Krishna Consciousness movement is based on complete fellow feeling and
love, but there is a word maryada which means respect which should
always be offered to the Spiritual Master and elderly members.

69-06-16.Aru Letter: Arundhati
Regarding your second question about greeting karmis, if a karmi is
a friend, you just greet him Hare Krishna, and with folded hands touch
your forehead. If the karmi is a superior relative, then chant Hare
Krishna and bow down to him on the ground
. That should be the
etiquette in our society transactions.
Whenever you have questions,
you ask your husband or ask me. You should always be very sound in
knowledge about Krishna Consciousness. But as you are very much
attached to chanting, there will be no difficulty for you.
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Srila Prabhupada defines “Karmis”

July 3, 2014 in Artilces, Srila Prabhupada by Nityananda Rama dasa

Hare Krsna Prabhus,

Pranams.. All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Just sharing some nectar from His Divine Grace..
Yhs, Bal.

Srila Prabhupada defines “Karmis”

Extract from morning walk April 24th 1976, Srila Prabhupada’s last visit to Melbourne Australia.
Please see full conversation…

Guru-kṛpā: The jñānīs, they are trying to study Vedānta to find out what is the end. So that is better than being karmī.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guru-kṛpā: Even if they don’t know the answer, they are trying to seek out.
Prabhupāda: No, their answer is there, merging with the Supreme.
Guru-kṛpā: But again they must come back. That’s not complete liberation.
Prabhupāda: That means not complete knowledge.
Guru-kṛpā: So they have also stopped, ended in Brahman.
Prabhupāda: Āruhya kṛcchreṇa paraṁ padaṁ tataḥ patanty adho ’nādṛta-yuṣmad-aṅghrayaḥ [SB 10.2.32].
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Practically, Śrīla Prabhupāda, we see that we’re dealing mostly with karmīs, not with jñānīs, in our preaching work.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: And they are simply interested in some immediate satisfaction.
Prabhupāda: Karmīs not. Vikarmī. Karmī, vikarmī, akarmī. We are dealing with vikarmī.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Vikarma, oh. Prohibited actions.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Karmīs will not do anything sinful.
Guru-kṛpā: Nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma [Bhāg. 5.5.4].
Prabhupāda: Vikarma, yes.
Devotee (2): So why do we call them karmīs?
Prabhupāda: Vikarmīs, opposite karmī.
Devotee (2): So there’s practically no karmīs.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Sinful.
Prabhupāda: Sinful activities, duṣkṛtinaḥ. Vikarma. Therefore they will be punished in different forms of life. Therefore we find so many species of life, forms of life. This is punishment. But māyā’s curtain, they are thinking, “We are happy.” Just like this tree is a punishment, but it has no sense that this is punishment.
Guru-kṛpā: Thinks he’s happy.
Prabhupāda: Standing happily for five thousand years.
Guru-kṛpā: Drinking only water.
Prabhupāda: If you are asked to stand here for five hours, you’ll feel most uncomfortable. But they are standing for five thousand years, no uncomfortable. This is punishment. Punishment is there, but unaware. So everyone is like that. Anyone in the material world, they are being punished in different degree, but unaware. That is māyā’s grace, that although he is punished, he cannot understand.
Guru-kṛpā: So they answer that “If you’re happy, then what’s wrong with that?”
Prabhupāda: Yes, that class you are here. You go on with that happiness. But we are not satisfied with this. You are rascal, you are happy in that way, but we are not. That is the difference between you and me.
Guru-kṛpā: Happiness of the fool.
Prabhupāda: Yes.

Explained-How the illusory energy of God, works on us-by SP

July 3, 2014 in Articles, Damaghosa Dasa by Nityananda Rama dasa

Hare Krsna to all Pranams
All glories to Srila Prabhupada

For those eager to continually hear from a bona fide spiritual master, the words I have given below from various lectures and purports should instill in us, a deeper sense of understanding spirituality.
Topic of discussion below:

When we stop hearing from the bona fide Spiritual Master (due to false ego), or his bona fide representatives , then our continued spiritual advancement is severely hampered.
Why is that, one may ask?

SB 4.22.31 When one deviates from his original consciousness, he loses the
capacity to remember his previous position or recognize his present
one. When remembrance is lost, all knowledge acquired is based on a
false foundation
. When this occurs, learned scholars consider that the
soul is lost.

Therefore we come under the clutches of Maya, the illusory energy of God and she makes us think we can do what we want, go where we want, and think what we want and in this way, unknowingly, are dragged all over the universe from one body or another. And at the same time we will “think” we are– “OK”, exactly like souls trapped in hog bodies, “thinking” stool is so tasty. And for them it is, but those with slightly developed consciousness, they will not agree to such a proposal. So our senses in conditioned life are always deceiving us, therefore we need to hear constantly from the spiritual master or his representatives.

(SSR 2 Choosing a Spiritual Master
Gentlemen, our knowledge is so poor, our senses are so imperfect,
and our sources are so limited that it is not possible for us to have
even the slightest knowledge of the absolute region without
surrendering ourselves at the lotus feet of Sri Vyasadeva or his bona
fide representative. Every moment we are being deceived by the
knowledge of our direct perception. It is all the creation or
concoction of the mind, which is always deceiving, changing, and
We cannot know anything of the transcendental region by
our limited, perverted method of observation and experiment. But all
of us can lend our eager ears for the aural reception…..

Now let us hear , from the spiritual master, what is our actual position in this body.
This next verse may shock some….

SB 3.7.17 Further Inquires by Vidura
Both the lowest of fools and he who is transcendental to all
intelligence enjoy happiness, whereas persons between them suffer the
material pangs.


The lowest of fools do not understand material miseries; they pass
their lives merrily and do not inquire into the miseries of life. Such
persons are almost on the level of the animals, who, although in the
eyes of superiors are always miserable in life, are unaware of
material distresses. A hog’s life is degraded in its standard of
happiness, which entails living in a filthy place, engaging in sex
enjoyment at every opportune moment, and laboring hard in a struggle
for existence, but this is unknown to the hog. Similarly, human beings
who are unaware of the miseries of material existence and are happy in
sex life and hard labor are the lowest of fools. Yet because they have
no sense of miseries, they supposedly enjoy so-called happiness. The
other class of men, those who are liberated and are situated in the
transcendental position above intelligence, are really happy and are
called paramahamsas. But persons who are neither like hogs and dogs
nor on the level of the paramahamsas feel the material pangs, and for
them inquiry about the Supreme Truth is necessary. The Vedanta-sutra
states, athato brahma jijnasa: “Now one should inquire about Brahman.”
This inquiry is necessary for those who are between the paramahamsas
and the fools who have forgotten the question of self-realization in
the midst of life in sense gratification.

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