Bhakti yoga vs karma yoga

May 6, 2014 in Articles, Damaghosa Dasa, Srila Prabhupada's quotes & purports by Nityananda Rama dasa


Hare Krsna Prabhus
All glories to Srila Prabhupada Conversations 358851/530501
Prabhupada: Karma-yogi means one who does everything for Krsna. He’s
Guest (1): One who does everything for…?
Prabhupada: For Krsna.
Guest (1): For Krsna.
Prabhupada: Just like you are doing, doing some work. For whom you are
Guest (1): For my own benefit.
Prabhupada: That’s all. So that is karma. But when you do the same
thing for Krsna, that is karma-yoga.
Guest (1): But (Hindi), if you do it for others, for Krsna, for
Prabhupada: Others… Others means… That is also a humbug. You
cannot do anything for others. You do everything for yourself. That is
a false propaganda. You see? That is humbugism. So either you can do
for yourself or for Krsna. That’s all.
Guest (1): I see. (Gujarati)
Prabhupada: (break) …become a slogan nowadays. Nobody does for
others. “For others,” “For the poor,” these are all humbug.
Guest (1): You think people are doing something hospitals, that is for
Prabhupada: Yes. That is also punya-karma.
Guest (1): (Hindi) Helping these temples, hospitals…?
Prabhupada: Yes. Temple construction is different from hospital
construction. That is for Krsna.
Guest (1): But suppose somebody’s doing hospitals. Is it not for
Prabhupada: Yes. But how many you can give shelter? A few. There are
so many suffering people. You cannot provide hospitals for all of
them. The hospitals are increasing, and the disease also increasing.
Guest (1): No, as you say that doing for others is humbug.
Prabhupada: No, no. Humbug means he cannot do it.
Guest (1): Accha.
Prabhupada: He cannot do it. He can do to his satisfaction only. That
is… That is also for his satisfaction.
Guest (1): I see.
Prabhupada: Because by opening hospital, you cannot stop disease. That
is not possible. Then what you are doing for the others? That is for
your satisfaction. Try to understand. Because you cannot do anything,
but still, you are wasting your time. That is for your satisfaction.
Guest (1): Naturally for myself.
Prabhupada: Yes. Hare Krsna. You cannot do anything. The hospitals are
increasing, beds are increasing, and the diseases are increasing. Then
what can you do?
Guest (1): We can do our own satisfaction.
Prabhupada: That’s all. (break) …done not meant for Krsna, that is
for his own satisfaction. Just like Arjuna wanted to become
nonviolent: “No, no, Krsna. I cannot kill my kinsmen.” That is a good
proposal. But that was his satisfaction.
Guest (1): That is very correct.
Prabhupada: Yes. That was his satisfaction. But Krsna wanted that “You
must fight.” And when he agreed to that, that is his perfection.
Before that, he was trying to satisfy he.
Guest (1): Yes. When he surrendered to Krsna, that was his…
Prabhupada: Yes, that is the only purpose of life. Anything that is
done, that is useless waste of time. Therefore Krsna particularly
said, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vra… That is ekam.
You try to satisfy Krsna only. That will give you perfection.
Otherwise your own satisfaction, that’s all.
Guest (1): Yes, very correct, very correct.
Prabhupada: Whatever you do, that is your satisfaction. That is karma.
Guest (1): But not yogi.
Prabhupada: No, karma. (break) …for your own sense satisfaction,
that is karma. And if you do it for Krsna’s satisfaction, that is
Makhanlal: Pure bhakti and karma-yoga considered to be exactly the
Prabhupada: Exactly the same.
Prabhupada: Pure bhakti is above karma-yoga. Pure bhakti is above
Bhagavata: That is the difference between the Chapter Karma-yoga and
Karma-yoga in Krsna Consciousness.
Prabhupada: Yes. Pure, pure devotion means Sravanam kirtanam.
Guest (1): I read fifteen percent power cut from today in the state.
They have not able to do the service in electric. (break)
Prabhupada: …cut, cent percent. (break)
Makhanlal: …you’re performing, is the vaidhi-bhakti stage of…
Prabhupada: Yes.
Makhanlal: …of the sadhana-bhakti, the regulative principles.
Prabhupada: Yes, vaidhi-bhakti means regulative principles, and when
you are accustomed, automatically you perform, that is raga-bhakti.
Makhanlal: So vaidhi-bhakti is considered superior to karma-yoga then.
Prabhupada: No. Karma-yoga is better.
Makhanlal: Karma-yoga is better?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Indian man: Pure bhakti is superior.
Prabhupada: Pure bhakti is sravanam kirtanam. Sravanam kirtanam
visnu-smaranam pada-sevanam, that is pure bhakti. (break)
Yasomatinandana: …formed by anybody.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Yasomatinandana: Karma-yoga.
Prabhupada: Unless one is inclined to take to devotion, it is not
possible to take to karma-yoga. Who can sacrifice the profit?
Yasomatinandana: Does karma-yoga mean to follow exactly the sastras?
Prabhupada: Karma-yoga means yat karosi yaj juhosi kurusva tat
Yasomatinandana: Doing only for Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is karma-yoga.
Devotee: Which means?
Prabhupada: “Whatever you do, the result give Me.”
Devotee: To Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Yasomatinandana: So we are also, those who are on the vaidhi-bhakti
(indistinct) on karma-yoga path because we are…
Prabhupada: Yes. They are acting under the order of the spiritual
master. That is bhakti-yoga.
Bhagavata: So when one follows the nine activities of devotion purely,
that is pure bhakti.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhagavata: Then when he’s following those nine activities, then he’s
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