Guru-tyaga by the Prabhupada-anugas

December 31, 2012 in Articles by Nityananda Rama dasa


Guru-tyaga by the Prabhupada-anugas.


Srila Prabhupada explains: Who is Bali maharaja?


Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 4: “The Creation of the Fourth Order” : SB 4.24: Chanting the Song Sung by Lord Siva : SB 4.24.51 : PURPORT :

Lord Śiva is one of the twelve great authorities mentioned in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (6.3.20). These authorities are Svayambhū, Nārada, Śambhu, Kumāra, Kapila, Manu, Prahlāda, Janaka, Bhīma, Bali, Vaiyāsaki, or Śukadeva Gosvāmī, and Yamarāja.



Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 1:”Creation” : SB 1.12: Birth of Emperor Pariksit : SB 1.12.25 : PURPORT :

Bali Mahārāja: One of the twelve authorities in the devotional service of the Lord. Bali Mahārāja is a great authority in devotional service because he sacrificed everything to please the Lord and relinquished the connection of his so-called spiritual master who obstructed him on the path of risking everything for the service of the Lord. The highest perfection of religious life is to attain to the stage of unqualified devotional service of the Lord without any cause or without being obstructed by any kind of worldly obligation. Bali Mahārāja was determined to give up everything for the satisfaction of the Lord, and he did not care for any obstruction whatsoever. He is the grandson of Prahlāda Mahārāja, another authority in the devotional service of the Lord. Bali Mahārāja and the history of his dealings with Viṣṇu Vāmanadeva are described in the Eighth Canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (Chapter 11-24).


As a Krpa-siddha by the mercy of Lord Vishnu.


Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 8: “Withdrawal of the Cosmic Creations” : SB 8.20: Bali Maharaja Surrenders the Universe : SB 8.20.3 : PURPORT :

Bali Mahārāja had already been blessed by his grandfather Prahlāda Mahārāja. Therefore, he was a pure devotee, although born in a family of demons. There are two kinds of highly elevated devotees, called sādhana-siddha and kṛpā-siddha. Sādhana-siddha refers to one who has become a devotee by regular execution of the regulative principles mentioned in the śāstras, as ordered and directed by the spiritual master. If one regularly executes such devotional service, he will certainly attain perfection in due course of time. But there are other devotees, who may not have undergone all the required details of devotional service but who, by the special mercy of guru and Kṛṣṇa—the spiritual master and the Supreme Personality of Godhead—have immediately attained the perfection of pure devotional service. Examples of such devotees are the yajña-patnīs, Mahārāja Bali and Śukadeva Gosvāmī. The yajña-patnīs were the wives of ordinary brāhmaṇas engaged in fruitive activities. Although the brāhmaṇas were very learned and advanced in Vedic knowledge, they could not achieve the mercy of Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma, whereas their wives achieved complete perfection in devotional service, despite their being women. Similarly, Vairocani, Bali Mahārāja, received the mercy of Prahlāda Mahārāja, and by Prahlāda Mahārāja’s mercy he also received the mercy of Lord Viṣṇu, who appeared before him as a brahmacārī beggar. Thus Bali Mahārāja became a kpā-siddha because of the special mercy of both guru and Kṛṣṇa. Caitanya Mahāprabhu confirms this favor: guru-kṛṣṇa-prasāde pāya bhakti-latā-bīja (Cc. Madhya 19.151). Bali Mahārāja, by the grace of Prahlāda Mahārāja, got the seed of devotional service, and when that seed developed, he achieved the ultimate fruit of that service, namely love of Godhead (premā pum-artho mahān), immediately upon the appearance of Lord Vāmanadeva. Bali Mahārāja regularly maintained devotion for the Lord, and because he was purified, the Lord appeared before him. Because of unalloyed love for the Lord, he then immediately decided, “I shall give this little dwarf brāhmaṇa whatever He asks from me.” This is a sign of love. Thus Bali Mahārāja is understood to be one who received the highest perfection of devotional service by special mercy.



Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 5: “The Creative Impetus” : SB 5.24: The Subterranean Heavenly Planets : SB 5.24.18 : PURPORT :

The Supreme Personality of Godhead is described as Uttamaśloka, “He who is worshiped by the best of selected Sanskrit verses,” and His devotees such as Bali Mahārāja are also worshiped by puṇya-śloka, verses that increase one’s piety. Bali Mahārāja offered everything to the Lord—his wealth, his kingdom and even his own body (sarvātma-nivedane bali). The Lord appeared before Bali Mahārāja as a brāhmaṇa beggar, and Bali Mahārāja gave Him everything he had. However, Bali Mahārāja did not become poor; by donating all his possessions to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he became a successful devotee and got everything back again with the blessings of the Lord. Similarly, those who give contributions to expand the activities of the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement and to accomplish its objectives will never be losers; they will get their wealth back with the blessings of Lord Kṛṣṇa. On the other side, those who collect contributions on behalf of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness should be very careful not to use even a farthing of the collection for any purpose other than the transcendental loving service of the Lord.


Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 6: “Prescribed Duties for Mankind” : SB 6.3: Yamaraja Instructs His Messengers : SB 6.3 Summary :

Yamarāja continued, “The essence of sanātana-dharma, or eternal religion, is extremely confidential. No one but the Lord Himself can deliver that confidential religious system to human society. It is by the mercy of the Lord that the transcendental system of religion can be understood by His pure devotees, and specifically by the twelve mahājanas—Lord Brahmā, Nārada Muni, Lord Śiva, the Kumāras, Kapila, Manu, Prahlāda, Janaka, Bhīma, Bali, Śukadeva Gosvāmī and me. Other learned scholars, headed by Jaimini, are almost always covered by the illusory energy, and therefore they are more or less attracted by the flowery language of the three Vedas, namely Ṛg, Yajur and Sāma, which are called trayī. Instead of becoming pure devotees, people captivated by the flowery words of these three Vedas are interested in the Vedic ritualistic ceremonies. They cannot understand the glories of chanting the holy name of the Lord. Intelligent persons, however, take to the devotional service of the Lord. When they chant the holy name of the Lord without offenses, they are no longer subject to my rulings. If by chance they commit some sinful act, they are protected by the holy name of the Lord because that is where their interest lies. The four weapons of the Lord, especially the club and the Sudarśana cakra, always protect the devotees. One who chants, hears or remembers the holy name of the Lord without duplicity, or who prays or offers obeisances to the Lord, becomes perfect, whereas even a learned person may be called to hell if he is bereft of devotional service.”


Srila Prabhupada explains how Bali Maharaja attained perfection. .


Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 7: “The Science of God” : SB 7.5: Prahlada Maharaja, the Saintly Son of Hiranyakasipu : SB 7.5.23, SB 7.5.24, SB 7.5.23-24 : PURPORT :

“Parīkṣit Mahārāja attained salvation simply by hearing, and Śukadeva Gosvāmī attained salvation simply by chanting. Prahlāda Mahārāja attained salvation by remembering the Lord. The goddess of fortune, Lakṣmīdevī, attained perfection by worshiping the Lord’s lotus feet. Pṛthu Mahārāja attained salvation by worshiping the Deity of the Lord. Akrūra attained salvation by offering prayers, Hanumān by rendering service, Arjuna by establishing friendship with the Lord, and Bali Mahārāja by offering everything to the service of the Lord.”All these great devotees served the Lord according to a particular process, but every one of them attained salvation and became eligible to return home, back to Godhead


Srila Prabhupada explains under what circumstances Bali Maharaja rejected his so-called guru.


Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 8: “Withdrawal of the Cosmic Creations” : SB 8.20: Bali Maharaja Surrenders the Universe : SB 8.20.1 : PURPORT :

Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura remarks that Bali Mahārāja remained silent at a critical point. How could he disobey the instruction of Śukrācārya, his spiritual master? It is the duty of such a sober personality as Bali Mahārāja to abide by the orders of his spiritual master immediately, as his spiritual master had advised. But Bali Mahārāja also considered that Śukrācārya was no longer to be accepted as a spiritual master, for he had deviated from the duty of a spiritual master. According to śāstra, the duty of the guru is to take the disciple back home, back to Godhead. If he is unable to do so and instead hinders the disciple in going back to Godhead, he should not be a guru. Gurur na sa syāt (Bhāg. 5.5.18). One should not become a guru if he cannot enable his disciple to advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The goal of life is to become a devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa so that one may be freed from the bondage of material existence (tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mam eti so ’rjuna [Bg. 4.9]). The spiritual master helps the disciple attain this stage by developing Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Now Śukrācārya has advised Bali Mahārāja to deny the promise to Vāmanadeva. Under the circumstances, therefore, Bali Mahārāja thought that there would be no fault if he disobeyed the order of his spiritual master. He deliberated on this point—should he refuse to accept the advise of his spiritual master, or should he independently do everything to please the Supreme Personality of Godhead? He took some time. Therefore it is said, tūṣṇī bhūtvā kaa rajann uvācāvahito gurum. After deliberating on this point, he decided that Lord Viṣṇu should be pleased in all circumstances, even at the risk of ignoring the guru’s advice to the contrary,.

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What is real and what is bogus initiation​?

December 31, 2012 in Articles, Damaghosa Dasa by Nityananda Rama dasa




Hare Krsna to  all


Glories to Srila  Prabhupada


Below we have here  more valuable information which confirms the principles of bona fide initiation  vs. non bonafide and the symptoms by which one can judge for  himself.


Srila Bhaktisiddhanta  Maharj writes in the book Brahmana and Vaisnava….


…”If an initiated  person has not undergone the sacred thread ceremony, then according  to the  statement of Brhaspati, a compiler of Dharma sastra, he has simply transgressed  religious principles. The scriptures state that after receiving initiation  one becomes twice born. If this was not so, then it is to be concluded that he  has certainly not been properly initiated. If one is properly  initiated then the results must come. A cause is known by its  effects. If one claims to be a Vaisnava guru while  neglecting the tat tenaiva vinirdiset verse, (“he should be accepted according  to those symptoms of classification” statement of Srimad Bhagavatam 7.11.35),   then he should be rejected. This is the purport of the  scriptures.

One who assumes the  dress and position of  an acarya, who speaks against conclusions of Srimad  Bhagavatam and other scriptures or who performs kirtan opposed to the proper  glorification of Sri Krsna, certainly goes to hell for countless  lifetimes along with his disciples and whoever else  hears such non devotional talks and  kirtans….”


The above reference to  SB is here—SB 7.11.35–  If one shows the symptoms of being  a brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya or sudra, as described above, even if he has  appeared in a different class, he should be accepted  according to those symptoms  of classification.


And in Srila  Prabhupadas purport to SB……


SB 8.20.1  Purport          Anyone who is  supposed to be a guru but who goes against the principle of visnu-bhakti  cannot be accepted as guru. If one has falsely accepted such a guru, one  should reject him. Such a guru is described as follows (Mahabharata,  Udyoga 179.25):


guror apy  avaliptasya                           karyakaryam  ajanatah                          utpatha-pratipannasya                           parityago vidhiyate


Srila  Jiva Gosvami has advised that such a useless guru, a family priest acting as  guru, should be given up, and that the proper, bona-fide guru should be  accepted.

Isopanisad  12                                                   The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from  material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of  material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as  religious principles. By a false display of  religious sentiments, they present a show of  devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral  activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and  devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have  no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers  in the strict disciplic succession. They ignore the Vedic  injunction acaryopasana–“One must worship the acarya”–and Krsna’s statement  in the ▼Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of  God is received through the disciplic succession.” Instead, to mislead the  people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not  even follow the principles of the acaryas.    These rogues  are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no  religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state.  They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared  in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious  propagandists shall be thrown into the

darkest regions of  hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri Isopanisad confirms  that these pseudo religionists are heading toward  the most obnoxious place in the universe after the  completion of their spiritual master business, which they  conduct simply for sense gratification.



SB 1.19.37  P      The Appearance of Sukadeva  Gosvami        Unless one is perfectly  anxious to inquire about the way of perfection, there is no necessity of  approaching a spiritual master. A spiritual master is not a kind of  decoration for a householder. Generally a fashionable materialist  engages a so-called spiritual master without any  profit. The pseudo spiritual master flatters  the so-called disciple, and thereby both the master and  his ward go to hell without a doubt.  Maharaja Pariksit is the right type of disciple because he puts forward  questions vital to the interest of all men, particularly for the dying men.  The question put forward by Maharaja Pariksit is the basic principle of the  complete thesis of Srimad-Bhagavatam.


CONCLUSIONS–So many  come in Kali yuga and claim they are Guru–but the Srimad  Bhagavatam

says one should judge  these persons by their behavior first, then such persons can be  classified as Brahmana, Ksatryia  or whatever, etc. If one sees that a  person who is claiming to be Vaisnava guru doesn’t even chant 16 rounds, the  minimum given by his own Guru, then what kind of guru is he? If this same or  similar person has also been found to be engaged in sinful acts, then how  is he Guru?

Bhaktisiddhanta  Maharaj also states that if one has been considered to be initiated by a bona  fide guru then the symptoms in the disciple should manifest, namely  brahminical behavior.  Effect should follow proper cause. Yet if we  see that so many of the new “disciples’ of this modern age, dont even chant Hare  Krsna mantra, or follow the 4 regulative principles, then this simply means that  person from whom they took “initiation” was not a bona fide guru in the  first place. I read one story of a devotee who sat in on a discussion of  some iskgurus who were saying that practically all of their disciples fall away  in 2-3 years so get as much (money) out of them as soon as you can. This is the  mentality of a family priest not a Vaisnava Acarya.


So after these two  types of cheaters come together for some guru-disciple business, then what  happens?  Sastra states that the bogus guru and the bogus disciple both go  to hell. Not a very pretty picture is it?




750520mw.mel                Conversations                Devotee (3): Srila Prabhupada, if one goes to the temple, if one attends  the temple regularly and inquires from the devotees about the devotional  principles, and because of some reason, it’s not necessarily… it’s not  convenient for him to live in the temple at that time, and he is living with  people… Prabhupada: No, no, you live  in temple or without temple, if you follow the instruction, that is  wanted. If  you live without temple and chant sixteen rounds and observe the regulative  principle, that’s all right. It doesn’t require that you should live in the  temple. And if you live in the temple and do all nonsense, then what is the  use of living in the temple? Devotee: Is it wrong to think of initiation  then? Or initiated also? (?) Prabhupada: Their “thinking” means  they are not fixed up. That very word suggest that they are not fixed up. Oh,  initiation can take place anywhere.


[In the  above convesation we see Srila Prabhupada stressing that initiation can take  place anywhere.

Many  devotees think that initiation has to take place ONLY in a temple with the fire  sacrifice, all your family members,TP, GBC sanction, etc. Yet here Srila  Prabhupada states that initiation can take place  anywhere.

Why is  that?

Because  initiation means it is an affair of the heart when the aspirant decides he or  she wants to be guided by the Param para disciplic sucession as delivered down  thru eternal time. When THAT time comes, THAT moment in time is considered  “initiation”. Then a formal initiation can take place later, even decades later  or  11 years, as was Srila Prabhupada’s personal case.]


761210DB.HYD                    Lectures                   240636/530501     So anyway, from 1922 [when he first met Bhaktisiddhanta  maharaj] to 1933 practically I was not initiated, but I got the  impression of preaching Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s cult. That I was thinking. And that was the initiation by my Guru Maharaja. Then officially I was initiated in  1933 because in 1923 I left Calcutta. I started my business at Allahabad.  So I was always thinking of my Guru Maharaja, that “I met a very nice sadhu.” Although I was doing business I never forgot  him.


[So above  is the proof by Srila Prabhupada himself. He states that he first met Srila  Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaj in 1923, at which point he considered himself  “initiated”  even though he waited until 11 years later for the formal initiation, due to  business concerns which took him out of Calcutta and away from Bhaktisiddhanta  Maharaj.]


761016iv.cha                 Conversations                 452898/530501 Interviewer: What is the procedure of the movement? Do you  initiate yourself all the disciples or do your other disciples also do  that? Prabhupada: Well, initiation or no initiation, first thing  is knowledge. (break)  …knowledge. Initiation is  formality. Just like you go  to a school for knowledge, and admission is formality. That is not very  important thing….  So our this movement is successful…


[In this  conversation Srila Prabhupada states that  for initiation, the first  thing is knowledge, not the bananna throw into the sacred fire. First we  have to be convinced about what we are hearing and doing, then that conviction  becomes our desire for initiation within the heart by following the  teachings laid down by the acaryas in our sampradaya.]


Hare  Krsna

Damaghosa  das


SB  10.13.54     The visnu-murtis all had  eternal, unlimited forms, full of knowledge and bliss and existing beyond the  influence of time. Their great glory was not even to be  touched by the jnanis engaged in studying the  Upanisads.




    Mere sastra jnana, or knowledge in the Vedas, does not help  anyone understand the personality of Godhead. Only one who is  favored or shown mercy by the Lord can understand  Him. This is also explained  in the Upanisads (Mundaka Upanisad 3.2.3):


                     nayam atma pravacanena  labhyo                       na medhasa na bahuna  srutena                      yam evaisa vrnute tena  labhyas                    tasyaisa atma vivrnute tanum svam


  “The Supreme Lord is not obtained by  expert explanations, by vast intelligence, or even by much hearing. He is  obtained only by one whom He Himself chooses. To such a  person, He manifests His own form.”