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Some recent questions about the book changes by Bhakta Mark‏

April 16, 2013 in Bhakta Mark by KHD

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By Bhakta Mark  April 12, 2013

There are many fools who blindly regurgitate the following slogans which were concocted by the Zoned out Acaryas and their GBC (Gangster Boy Cheerleaders) of Iskcon, including their BBT (Butlers of Better Truth).
Referring to the Ritvik initiation system, they say there is no such thing as“post samadhi initiation” or “posthumous Diksa”. that it is asiddhanta and not part of the Gaudiya Tradition.
So I am surprised that Jayadwaita and his BBT book mangling crew have yet to edit Jagannatha das Babaji’s name out from the list of disciplic succession in the“new improved” Bhagavad Gita. After all, according to the parampara list as written by Srila Prabhupada in CC Adi Lila chapter 1, “Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura accepted Śrīla Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī”, even though Visvanatha was “post samadhi” by a hundred years.
I hate to give our misguided pre-samadhi editors any more “bright” ideas, but that edited Gita is ruined already, so Jay might as well just continue to show the world what he really thinks about the ideas of the one he claims to be a disciple of.
THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ. (Bhagavad-gīta, 4.2) This Bhagavad-gītā As It Is is received through this disciplic succession: 1) Kṛṣṇa, 2) Brahmā, 3) Nārada; 4) Vyāsa, 5) Madhva, 6) Padmanābha, 7) Nṛhari, 8) Mādhava, 9) Akṣobhya, 10) Jayatīrtha, 11) Jñānasindhu, 12) Dayānidhi, 13) Vidyānidhi, 14) Rājendra, 15) Jayadharma, 16) Puruṣottama, 17) Brahmaṇyatīrtha, 18) Vyāsatīrtha, 19) Lakṣmīpati, 20) Mādhavendra Purī, 21) Īśvara Purī, (Nityānanda, Advaita), 22) Lord Caitanya, 23) Rūpa (Svarūpa, Sanātana), 24) Raghunātha, Jīva, 25) Kṛṣṇadāsa, 26) Narottama, 27) Viśvanātha, 28) (Baladeva) Jagannātha, 29) Bhaktivinode, 30) Gaurakiśora, 31) Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, 32) His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda. (Bhagavad Gita INTRO)
Of course J.Swa will need to attack the Bhagavatam next…
Brahmā is the direct recipient of Vedic knowledge from the Personality of Godhead, and anyone discharging his entrusted duties in disciplic succession from Brahmā is sure to gain fame in this life and salvation in the next. The disciplic succession from Brahmā is called the Brahma-sampradāya, and it descends as follows: Brahmā, Nārada, Vyāsa, Madhva Muni (Pūrṇaprajña), Padmanābha, Nṛhari, Mādhava, Akṣobhya, Jayatīrtha, Jñānasindhu, Dayānidhi, Vidyānidhi, Rājendra, Jayadharma, Puruṣottama, Brahmaṇyatīrtha, Vyāsatīrtha, Lakṣmīpati, Mādhavendra Purī, Īśvara Purī, ŚrīCaitanya Mahāprabhu, Svarūpa Dāmodara and Śrī Rūpa Gosvāmī and others, ŚrīRaghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Kṛṣṇadāsa Gosvāmī, Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura,Viśvanātha Cakravartī, Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī, Śrīmad Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. (SB 3.13.8 : PURPORT )
Might as well edit a few taped lectures while he is at it…
“One who has accepted ācārya, he knows things as they are.” Ācāryavān puruṣo veda. So we are receiving knowledge through the ācāryas. Kṛṣṇa spoke to Arjuna, Arjuna spoke to Vyāsadeva. Arjuna actually did not speak to Vyāsadeva, but Vyāsadeva heard it, Kṛṣṇa speaking, and he noted down in his book Mahābhārata. This Bhagavad-gītā is found in Mahābhārata. So we accept the authorities of Vyāsa. And from Vyāsa, Madhvācārya; from Madhvācārya, so many disciplic succession, up to Mādhavendra Purī. Then Mādhavendra Purī to Īśvara Purī; from Īśvara Purī to Lord Caitanyadeva; from Lord Caitanyadeva to six Gosvāmīs; from six Gosvāmīs to Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja; from him, ŚrīnivāsaĀcārya; from him, Viśvanātha Cakravartī; from him, Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī; then Gaura Kiśora dāsa Bābājī; Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura; my spiritual master. The same thing, we are preaching. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. It is nothing new. It is coming down from the original speaker, Kṛṣṇa, by disciplic succession. (Lectures : Bhagavad-gita 2.13 — Pittsburgh, September 8, 1972)
That is guru. Means one who has seen the truth. How he has seen the truth? Through the paramparā system. Kṛṣṇa said this, and then Brahmā said the same thing, then Nārada said the same thing, Vyāsadeva said the same thing, and then disciplic succession, Madhvācārya, Mādhavendra Purī, Īśvara Purī, Lord Caitanya, Ṣaḍ-gosvāmī,Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī, ŚrīnivāsaĀcārya, Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura. In this way. Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, Gaura Kiśora dāsa Bābājī, Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī. Then we are speaking. The same thing. (Lectures : Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.4.1 — Los Angeles, June 24, 1972)
J. and cohort Dravida das already edited the Parampara list in CC Adi 1, but failed to properly address the false post samadhi Diksa that Jagannatha received when Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti accepted him as servitor. Instead he our Mangler in Chief focused on editing Srila Prabhupada’s “bogus” idea that Bhaktivinode was initiated by Jagannatha dasa, and that Bhaktivinode initiated Srila Gaurakishor das babaji
“The direct disciple of Śrīla Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī was Śrīla Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, who accepted Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī as his servitor. Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura acceptedŚrīla Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who initiated Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, who in turn initiatedŚrīla Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī, the spiritual master of Oṁ ViṣṇupādaŚrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī Mahārāja, the divine master of our humble self.” (Original CC Adi Chapter 1)
“The direct disciple of Śrīla Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī was Śrīla Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, who accepted Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī as his servitor. Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura acceptedŚrīla Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, who in turn accepted Śrīla Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī, the spiritual master of Oṁ Viṣṇupāda Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī Mahārāja, the divine master of our humble self.” (Changed CC Adi Chapter 1)
I know, I know, so many changes to make, so little time. Perhaps some one of J. Swa’s divine stature could make an appeal to Kala, the presiding Deity of time, in the form of a request to slow things down a bit so His Magnificence will be able to properly wield his editorial scalpel and undo all the errors Srila Prabhupada left us with and save the entire Jagat from being so grossly misinformed.
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Were YOU ordered to become a Diksa Guru?

March 17, 2013 in Articles, Bhakta Mark by Nityananda Rama dasa

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“This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s mission. He says, “You become a spiritual master.” “How? I have no qualification.” “No. You just accept my order?” “So what is your order, sir?” Yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] “You simply speak the instruction of Kṛṣṇa whoever you meet. Then you become a spiritual master.” (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.15 — Bombay, April 4, 1974)
Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, āmāra ājñāya guru haya tāra sarva- deśa, tāra ei deśa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. He’s asking everyone to become a spiritual master. So how everyone can become a spiritual master? A spiritual master must have sufficient knowledge, so many other qualifications. No. Even without any qualifications, one can become a spiritual master. How? Now the process is, Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, āmāra ājñāya: “On My order.” That is the crucial point. One does not become spiritual master by his own whims. That is not spiritual master. He must be ordered by superior authority. Then he’s spiritual master. Āmāra ājñāya. Just like in our case. Our superior authority, our spiritual master, he ordered me that “You just try to preach this gospel, whatever you have learned from me, in English.” So we have tried it. That’s all. It is not that I am very much qualified. The only qualification is that I have tried to execute the order of superior authority. That’s all. This is the secret of success. (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 2.2 — London, August 3, 1973)
Antya 6.312 – TRANSLATION:  He never touched anything to wear except a small torn cloth and a patchwork wrapper. Thus he very rigidly executed the order of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. PURPORT:  The principle of very rigidly carrying out the order of the spiritual master must be observed.   The spiritual master gives different orders to different people. For example, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu ordered Jīva Gosvāmī, Rūpa Gosvāmī and Sanātana Gosvāmī to preach, and He ordered Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī to strictly follow the rules and regulations of the renounced order.  All six Gosvāmīs strictly followed the instructions of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu.  This is the principle for progress in devotional service. After receiving an order from the spiritual master, one must strictly try to execute the order.  That is the way of success.
Is there anyone out there in Iskcon who was EVER specifically ordered by Srila Prabhupada to become an INITIATING spiritual master and accept disciples on their own behalf?
I have seen no such evidence.  The only orders I have ever seen were to become instructor spiritual masters by preaching and instructing “exactly” as Srila Prabhupada instructed.  There is an incredibly broad latitude for becoming Instructing Spiritual master.  NOT SO FOR DIKSA GURU.
Regarding your question about the husband becoming the Spiritual Master of the wife, anyone who can give instructing in spiritual life is treated as Spiritual Master. There are two kinds of Spiritual Master, initiator and instructor. So the husband can help the wife as instructor. (Letter to: Himavati — Los Angeles 24 January, 1969)
“To answer your last point, one who teaches can be treated as Spiritual Master. It is not that after we become initiated we become perfect. No. It requires teaching. So if we take instruction from them, all senior godbrothers may be treated as guru, there is no harm. Actually, you have only one Spiritual Master, who initiates you, just as you have only one father. But every Vaisnava should be treated as prabhu, master, higher than me, and in this sense, if I learn from him, he may be regarded as guru. It is not that I disobey my real Spiritual Master and call someone else as Spiritual Master. That is wrong. It is only that I can call Spiritual Master someone who is teaching me purely what my initiating Spiritual Master has taught. Do you get the sense?” (Letter to: Sri Galim — Delhi 20 November, 1971)
“Śikṣā-guru does not mean he is speaking something against the teachings of the dīkṣā-guru. He is not a śikṣā-guru. He is a rascal.” (Bhagavad-gita 17.1-3 — Honolulu, July 4, 1974)
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want. (Letter to: Madhudvisa: — Detroit 4 August, 1975)
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE DIKSA GURU OR INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER IS MEANT TO BE A MAHA BHAGAVATA, WORSHIPPED AS GOOD AS GOD.  In ISKCON we were instructed that was to include the following
1.        Obeisances offered to the Initiating Spiritual Master via PERSONAL Pranama Mantra 2.        Worship of that Diksa Guru on Vyasa Puja celebration 3.        Daily special Guru Puja to that Diksa Guru 4.        Worship of that Diksa Guru’s Murti or Picture on the same level as Deity worship.
“When one has attained the topmost position of mahä-bhägavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.” (Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 24.330)
Srila Prabhupada: “One who has got this divya-jñāna, vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā, that is mahātmā. But that is very, very rare. Otherwise, mahātmā LIKE ME, they are loitering in the street. That is. So you should always remember this word, divya-jñāna hṛde prakāśito. And because the spiritual master enlightens the divya-jñāna, one feels obliged to him. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo yasya prasādān na gatiḥ kuto ‘pi **. *So this guru-pūjā essential.* *As the Deity worship essential*… It is not cheap adoration. It is the process of enlightening the divya-jñāna.** (Lecture — Bombay, April 1, 1977)
My dear Karandhara, Please accept my blessings. I beg to thank you for your letter dated January 21st, 1976. The photos of my murti are very nice. The murti of the Spiritual Master should be treated as good as the Deity. Saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair, uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih/kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya **, The guru should be treated as good as God. This is stated in all the sastras. The difference is that God is master-God and guru is servant-God. So the installation ceremony for such a murti should be similar to that done for other Deities. All Temples can have this Deity if they like. But Temples which have only Panca-tattva painting worship should not be given this Deity. You should make a murti of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati and then they may be worshiped together as is now being done in our Krishna Balarama Temple. They should be placed with Gaura Nitai—Guru Gauranga. (Letter to: Karandhara — Mayapur 29 January, 1976)
Please accept my blessings. I have received your letter dated Jan. 3rd and have noted the contents. It is nice that you are enthusiastically engaged in New York. I have no objection to your worshiping my murti for Guru Puja. But for placing in the temple there must be a pair of murtis, (my Guru Maharaja must be there) as in Krsna-Balarama Mandir, and they must be permanently installed. This may be done in accord with the temple authorities. Or else you may worship one murti of myself privately in your room. (Letter to: Sudama — Allahabad 13 January, 1977)
And if that isn’t obvious enough for you brainiacs, how about the fact that IF INDEED ALL THE DEVOTEES “GIVING DIKSA” IN ISKCON WERE MAHABHAGAVATAS CAPABLE OF BEING INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTERS, THE GBC WOULD BE IN THE DEFAULT POSITION OF APARADHIS ACCORDING TO SRILA RUPA GOSWAMI.
Prabhupada “It is also an offense to consider an empowered Vaiṣṇava an object of disciplinary action. It is offensive to try to give him advice or to correct him. One can distinguish between a neophyte Vaiṣṇava and an advanced Vaiṣṇava by their activities. The advanced Vaiṣṇava is always situated as the spiritual master, and the neophyte is always considered his disciple. The spiritual master must not be subjected to the advice of a disciple, nor should a spiritual master be obliged to take instructions from those who are not his disciples. This is the sum and substance of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī’s advice in the sixth verse.”   NOI 6
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Sorry kids.  NO MORE DIKSA GURUS NEEDED IN ISKCON TEMPLES.
Why don’t all you neophytes who can’t live a moment without being worshiped and cannot accept the humble position of a priest, simply take all your disciples out of Srila Prabhupada’s temples and start your own, write your own god-damned books, show us how wonderful and glorious you really are?
Leave Iskcon’s properties of all forms to those devotees who actually want to live according to the rules and regulations set down by the Founder.   Then in the future you are always welcome to apply for affiliation to Iskcon.  But why would you want to?  After all since you are such glorious MahaBhagavatas, by that time your asramas will have surpassed Iskcon by leaps and bounds!
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